Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

THERE IS NO PLAYSTYLE YOU TWIT!!! Did you even read the letter? There are classes (Lancer, Conjurer, etc) and Jobs (Undefined yet but they will be the trademark jobs such as black mage). I don't know where you get this playstyle bullcrap from, but it isn't happening. A lancer, in FFXIV, IS NOT A TANK. End of story. An Archer, in FFXIV, IS NOT A TANK. Deal or leave. It's not going to happen.

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Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying.

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Matsui says otherwise.

i didnt see anyone mention that the new jobs might only be held to either DOM or DOW, or even able to equip said classes on a few but not all of DOW. they might not be all around universal, but they might not be held down to that one class too.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

look at the end you just want to you your dam fav wep with your role even if the wep make no sense with the role because in ff history each wep had a job bind to it.

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No it didn't Name any Job and I can list atleast 4 weapons it could use in past Final Fantasy's.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

I think your still trying to confuse Weapon Classes (What Weapon you equip) with Jobs (What role you play in a fight)

They are not the same things, they are not even on the same level. Thats why Jobs are their own system and Armoury is its own system.

Right now with the Armoury it is up to the player to define their playstyle for their Weapon class. A Thaumaturge can tank in the right circumstances, so can a Marauder, A Lancer, and a Pugilist. They might not be the best at it but they can do it in a pinch.

The Job System lets you unlock a Title (Paladin) that says. "I'm a Tank. Don't worry about what weapon I have equipped, I'll protect you from harm." After that point the weapon no longer matters your Specialized by your Job to be a tank.

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THM can solo tank certain things, but not everything. Lnc can't tank anything (tried and it doesn't work) Archer can't tank anything. Con can't tank anything. Pug tanks very well (probably better than GLA) MRD is a tank on lower level things, but not NMs. Problem? I understand that there are going to be Jobs that come out, but an Archer (non-tank) should not be allowed to move to a Paladin (tank job). It makes absolutely 0 sense.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

THM can solo tank certain things, but not everything. Lnc can't tank anything (tried and it doesn't work) Archer can't tank anything. Con can't tank anything. Pug tanks very well (probably better than GLA) MRD is a tank on lower level things, but not NMs. Problem? I understand that there are going to be Jobs that come out, but an Archer (non-tank) should not be allowed to move to a Paladin (tank job). It makes absolutely 0 sense.

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Paladins in Past FF's have all be able to use Bows.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

No it didn't Name any Job and I can list atleast 4 weapons it could use in past Final Fantasy's.

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oh god -.- i had enough your pointless let's just f?????? wait for the update to come and we see how it is right now it's pointless to even talk about it in this matter.

I feel like we're running in circles but I have to ask. So if weapon doesn't matter why again does it... matter that anyone can use whatever weapon? Also the reasoning of "If it doesn't matter then why not?" is not a valid one as it runs counter to the class system that the job system itself is based on.

Also please, please stop using "past FFs" as a reasoning for why it would work in THIS FF. This game is not a previous game. We may learn from previous games but a one to one comparison makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i didnt see anyone mention that the new jobs might only be held to either DOM or DOW, or even able to equip said classes on a few but not all of DOW. they might not be all around universal, but they might not be held down to that one class too.

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this is correct, it most definately will not be any discipline, simply because the mere use of a job is going to limit what skills you can use supposedly.
If say Monk doesnt let you use magic spells, then how would it make sense to have a monk conjuerer.

The best you can hope for is having a couple different choices per job, but even that may be more than they are willing to give. Dont worry though, you can still just not use a job, and take whatever you can from anwhere and play as you like. You just wont have a specific bonus/minus.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Matsui says otherwise.

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playing styles optimized for partying. This is talking about the Jobs, not the freaking weapon classes. If he says "Paladin is a tank playstyle" this does not mean that you take your fkn GLA skills, stick them on LNC and BAM you are a paladin. You might have the "play style" but you won't be a tank. You are looking at the letter from a completely incorrect direction. "playing styles" has nothing to do with your CLASSES, it deals with JOBS. Paladin is a tank play style, black mage is a nuke play style, white mage is a healing play style. LANCER, a CLASS, does not have a PLAY STYLE, but it can't tank and it can't effectively heal. All it is good for is DD. I don't know why you can't get that through your thick skull.

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Originally Posted by Physic

this is correct, it most definately will not be any discipline, simply because the mere use of a job is going to limit what skills you can use supposedly.
If say Monk doesnt let you use magic spells, then how would it make sense to have a monk conjuerer.

The best you can hope for is having a couple different choices per job, but even that may be more than they are willing to give. Dont worry though, you can still just not use a job, and take whatever you can from anwhere and play as you like. You just wont have a specific bonus/minus.

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I don't mind if some class can use some jobs if that make sense to the role like Ranger can be a samurai but it be a ranger samurai, Polearm can be samurai but it be a polearm type samurai.

when it come down to monk only hand to hand really make sense they really not staff that make sense for monk to use as a wep for hitting not if they make some lol.