Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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05-15-2018, 08:20 PM
ViolaCrossfire

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Originally Posted by Yenyen

I did Skalla with 2 friends and a random tank, we got to the 2nd boss and I started a countdown, it ends my friends run
"You can tank if you want"
Me: "Oh please don't start that with me, you didn't say anything about going afk", what I wanted to actually say is "I won't pay your sub anymore"

10 bucks says he would pull without cooldown and expects you to be ready.

As a healer main I agree though some issues are just too glaring. The classic cure 3 user in stone vigil for example I can spot while learning an unfamiliar class with new abilities.
05-15-2018, 08:43 PM
Yenyen

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Originally Posted by ViolaCrossfire

10 bucks says he would pull without cooldown and expects you to be ready.

As a healer main I agree though some issues are just too glaring. The classic cure 3 user in stone vigil for example I can spot while learning an unfamiliar class with new abilities.

Oh gosh I forgot about those, just jogged my memory xD I'll save it for another time haha.
05-15-2018, 10:31 PM
Avatre

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Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom

The tanks that constantly reposition bosses ALL the time, inevitable screwing up my Trick Attack(s) at the LAST possible second.

All of my rage.

I'm the type of tank that will just turn the boss if needed, move out of AoEs then right back in close with the boss, and only ever move it if melee DPS won't be able to get positionals without it being moved.
05-15-2018, 10:39 PM
duvvvv

had one of the best Ravana nm runs to date. tank rushed in, neither healer had protect it seems (they never cast it during the whole run), and I had lag--seconds when nobody is moving kind--so I thought 'oh no this gonna end badly'. but it didn't it was pretty smooth, would to comm everyone if I could.
05-15-2018, 10:57 PM
Daeriion_Aeradiir

Not a bad story, but it's fun when you recognize people from the forums in game.

Last couple times I've been in Eureka I've happened to notice Cassandra Solidor and Hyomin park were in the same instance.
05-15-2018, 11:05 PM
Sove92

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I'll take the other path and suggest that perhaps they should have tried to give some quick tips. Looks like there was just a lot of mocking and not much else. They did say that he put on shield oath once it was mentioned.

If someone fails to do proper combos despite the obvious highlighting the game does, to the point of not even trying, and having your random rotation called nonsense and still not changing anything regarding that, they are beyond teaching. As the healer questioned, how can someone reach lv70 (in fact, they had multiple jobs leveled) by playing like that? They did not even use RoH a single time, Shield Oath was the only think they changed and it frankly didn't do much.
05-15-2018, 11:28 PM
KaldeaSahaline

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I'll take the other path and suggest that perhaps they should have tried to give some quick tips. Looks like there was just a lot of mocking and not much else. They did say that he put on shield oath once it was mentioned.

I can't speak for Sove's experience, but in mine we gave quick tips, we gave long tips, we gave all kinds of polite tips. Nothing changed. The tank fought us the entire time on why they were right and why we were wrong. For context, this tank did literally nothing but spam Shield Lob and oGCDs the entire dungeon.

In the end - I made the right decision to remove them. I can't say for sure if the same situation applied to Sove. I'm all for helping people, but some people don't want to be helped. No matter how many cat girl memes, or smiley faces you use in your sentence, they'll call you toxic, regardless of its validity.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

So I do alliance roulette.

It's World of Darkness

I was being petty and I don't care. Everyone gonna just let that happen. No. I'm not working hard to carry someone like that. >:/

If you're "in the know" this behavior is actually extremely common. I'm not surprised that people defended him and prevented the kick. I am actually surprised they didn't kick you for pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Raid groups expect the tank to do between 80-110% of the DPS that the DPS does... and the healers are expected to be about 60-80%...

Where did you get this idea from? No raid group I've ever been in expects this.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

If someone fails to do proper combos despite the obvious highlighting the game does, to the point of not even trying, and having your random rotation called nonsense and still not changing anything regarding that, they are beyond teaching. As the healer questioned, how can someone reach lv70 (in fact, they had multiple jobs leveled) by playing like that? They did not even use RoH a single time, Shield Oath was the only think they changed and it frankly didn't do much.

Bingo.
05-15-2018, 11:34 PM
Skivvy

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Originally Posted by Sove92

If someone fails to do proper combos despite the obvious highlighting the game does, to the point of not even trying, and having your random rotation called nonsense and still not changing anything regarding that, they are beyond teaching. As the healer questioned, how can someone reach lv70 (in fact, they had multiple jobs leveled) by playing like that? They did not even use RoH a single time, Shield Oath was the only think they changed and it frankly didn't do much.

I just try to give people the benefit of the doubt I suppose. Never hurts to toss a tip or two. If they still suck arse, well, chalk it up to a bad player and do what you can to finish the dungeon.

My opinion of course, but I don't think mocking someone incessantly is the way to go if you want them to attempt to do better. How often do we run across players boasting in this thread about how they turned sullen and refused to do their job after a party member acted a certain way or said something to them? Not saying you have to always be in teacher mode or excuse every action, but going on the offense from the start is a good way to make them not want to cooperate.

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Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline

I can't speak for Sove's experience, but in mine we gave quick tips, we gave long tips, we gave all kinds of polite tips. Nothing changed. The tank fought us the entire time on why they were right and why we were wrong. For context, this tank did literally nothing but spam Shield Lob and oGCDs the entire dungeon.

In the end - I made the right decision to remove them. I can't say for sure if the same situation applied to Sove. I'm all for helping people, but some people don't want to be helped. No matter how many cat girl memes, or smiley faces you use in your sentence, they'll call you toxic, regardless of its validity.

Saw this after I posed, and for sure - some people are just turds it seems. I've personally never had anyone fire back at me for tossing out a few tips, but I know it happens. So I guess all we can do is try (if you feel like it), and then proceed as need be after the attempt, whether that be just sucking it up and completing the run, booting the issue, or leaving yourself.
05-15-2018, 11:44 PM
HyoMinPark

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Not a bad story, but it's fun when you recognize people from the forums in game.

Last couple times I've been in Eureka I've happened to notice Cassandra Solidor and Hyomin park were in the same instance.

Hello. ^^ I saw you there as well while we were killing Wraiths for Panini~. Nice Ultimate Axe :D One day I will get my clear too~.
05-15-2018, 11:59 PM
MoroMurasaki

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Raid groups expect the tank to do between 80-110% of the DPS that the DPS does... and the healers are expected to be about 60-80%...

RDM has the lowest personal dps of DPS jobs - 100th best parse is 6.1k.

WAR has the best personal dps of any Tank - 100th best parse is 4.8k.

SCH has the best personal dps of any Healer - 100th best parse is 2.9k.

Each of those is from God Kefka player damage rankings (used 100th slot to filter out the super cheesed parses) and using the dps class with the least dps and the support roles with the highest I am giving you the best possible chance at being proven right and you're still coming up short. WAR does manage to scrape by into about 80% of a RDM's damage but SCH doesn't even get to 50% much less 60%.

With literally any other dps or tank/healer the difference becomes even more pronounced. BLM is 6.8k, DRK is 4.4k and AST is 2.2k. AST is literally less than 1/3 of a BLM's dps.

Your hyperbolic examples undermine the rest of your post because they don't have any facts behind them.

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