#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

basically your talking about the healer abilities and casts in general cause they are technically the same with just 1 small diff which is hollow, is that your point?

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The point is if you have 6 spells with 6 different buttons that heal/regen or sheild single target this is a bad design

If you watch carefully to jobs like Viper and picto they use 6 different abilities in 1 or 2 buttons

That is modern design

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Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

Healers need a variety in both damage and healing.

We have 4 healers, there's no reason we can't have 4 unique healing styles and 4 unique damage styles. Arguing that "healers only heal" is what got us into the mess that ShB started and going in the opposite direction of "we should just do damage for 90% of the fight because that's what we're doing anyway" makes our presence replaceable by any DPS or tank that has healing attached to their kit.

Quite frankly, I do agree with getting rid of redundancies in the healing kit; why does WHM need 3 different versions of Cure II? Why does AST have 3 different AoE regens? There are definitely large parts of the kits that could be culled.

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Totally agree, just dont make 4 jobs the same make healing interesting

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Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

Healers need a variety in both damage and healing.

We have 4 healers, there's no reason we can't have 4 unique healing styles and 4 unique damage styles. Arguing that "healers only heal" is what got us into the mess that ShB started and going in the opposite direction of "we should just do damage for 90% of the fight because that's what we're doing anyway" makes our presence replaceable by any DPS or tank that has healing attached to their kit.

Quite frankly, I do agree with getting rid of redundancies in the healing kit; why does WHM need 3 different versions of Cure II? Why does AST have 3 different AoE regens? There are definitely large parts of the kits that could be culled.

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Sage should have gone all in on a damage rotation, with off GCDs to apply temporary Kardia buffs to the party. That would have let AST keep their full identity as a flex healer, so they could lean hard into that aspect of their kit.

I understand what you’re saying. It’s the issue we have mentioned before that there’s no real difference between each healer. Same skill but different icon and visual effect. I could play Whm and then pick up sch and have no problem healing something else because this button is the single target heal…and this is the small aoe…and this is the bigger aoe…and this is the field heal…and so on.

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Originally Posted by Ketojan

I understand what you’re saying. It’s the issue we have mentioned before that there’s no real difference between each healer. Same skill but different icon and visual effect. I could play Whm and then pick up sch and have no problem healing something else because this button is the single target heal…and this is the small aoe…and this is the bigger aoe…and this is the field heal…and so on.

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Outside of the VERY few buttons that aren't 1 to 1, my entire set of hotbars are identical. This is where my AoE goes, this is where my oGCD AoE goes... This is my single target oGCD... It's depressing.

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Originally Posted by Blixie

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We as in the playerbase at large. People playing the game. Get out of here with this nonsense you know what i meant. The strike was initially supposed to affect queue times. Then it slid down into 'affect the behind the scenes metrics.' Now people are celebrating because 'people are talking about it.'

The goal posts have shifted so much they can claim this strike was a success regardless of whether it actually happens. Even regardless of if there is even an actual tangible strike and not just a few anecdotes of people dropping healer! They get to just say the win no matter what, regardless of if any changes actually happen.

That is not a strike. That's just giving feedback on the forums. Calling it a strike is dramatic clickbait nonsense and deserves to be called out when there's no actual tangible strike. Strikes are disruptive. This is just another long lasting thread like the viera hat one, except they didn't call theirs a 'strike.'

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Originally Posted by GoodPerson

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Strikes don't always have immediate results but they are by nature disruptive. This isn't, and that's the point. This isn't a strike. It lacks the disruption, the scale to actually affect anything. It's only called a strike because that's a nice attention grabbing headline but in execution it's not. And conveniently, they get to claim 'victory' because people talked about it, even though there's been no mention of changes, much of people talking about it are mocking them, and their strike has failed to even be a blip on the radar of the average person playing the game.

If they managed to actually turn this into a real strike, or just made this 'healer feedback thread' that'd be one thing, but if they're going to call it a strike and, predictably, fail to back that up the whole idea is going to get well deserved mockery from outside the echo chamber here.

This is no more a strike than you and your 4 friends not shopping at <Big Store Name> is not a 'boycott' in any meaningful way.

In one of the new dungeons we get alisaie as redmage healer and I was legit jealous. Her powerful vercure and vermedica variants on top of a basic redmage core sound way more fun than glare spam and superpowered oGCDs.

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Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown

I'm not against changes. I do think healers should have more interesting dps kits etc.

I'm not against playing healer. I play all three roles casually depending on my whims and what my friends need for roulettes on a given day.

And I'm not against strikes. You know, real strikes. Like the recent writer/actor strikes. 100% behind those. People putting real effort into real causes that matter, for better working conditions and wages they deserve.

I mock this 'strike' because it's silly. It's dumb. Because it's dramatic clickbait nonsense that might get a quick article or youtube video made during a content downtime, but is ultimately doomed to failure. Today is the day the strike was 'officially' supposed to start and I saw no difference in any of my roulette times as healer or tank. As expected the actual strike is turning out to be a wet fart.

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I get you think it’s silly, but that seems because you are comparing it to something you feel is worthy. But is my enjoyment not worthy? We all play this game to have fun, it’s the point of a video game, but if I’m not having fun on the role I loved, can we try to do something about it? I just think in this case if you don’t like the strike because it’s silly and dumb, then you can easily ignore it. It won’t affect you, as many are determined to remind us the strike isn’t effective.

Again I implore non healers to give healing a try. Maybe you’ll find you really enjoy it, or maybe you will finally understand what we are saying for 6 years.

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Originally Posted by Isala

Outside of the VERY few buttons that aren't 1 to 1, my entire set of hotbars are identical. This is where my AoE goes, this is where my oGCD AoE goes... This is my single target oGCD... It's depressing.

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It’s gets even worse when you compare pure/shield healers with together and start to realize not only that they’re essentially all the same buttons, but the fact they’ve blatantly copy+pasted so many abilities between jobs. I mean, Scholar and Sage are practically the same job at this point with the amount of abilities copy+pasted between them lol. And nobody will ever convince Macrocosmos and Litany of the Bell aren’t literally the same thing just with different timings; a non/minimal-dps-loss healing tool used when taking large amounts of damage in quick, regular intervals (i.e Harrowing Hell).

What’s more hilarious is that when they don’t blatantly copy-paste skills and try to make unique ones…well, we end up with questionable abilities (to put it politely) like Baneful Impaction, Seraphism or the new Astrologian cards lol. It’s no wonder people want to leave the role entirely when your options for abilities boil down to ‘take it from someone else’ or ‘get something useless and/or tonally dissonant from everything that came before’

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Originally Posted by Isala

Outside of the VERY few buttons that aren't 1 to 1, my entire set of hotbars are identical. This is where my AoE goes, this is where my oGCD AoE goes... This is my single target oGCD... It's depressing.

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that's how I play too

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Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown

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This has been in the opening post since I read it weeks ago: "This strike is a protest. As such, it is not intended to disrupt the game or the players who have subscribed to FFXIV."

Complaining the strike isn't disruptive enough, is completely missing the point.

So healers wanna see more damage buttons and less party mitigations/selfheals?

And then we see wipes, because little white mage here wanted to press one more DPS button. Just no. If you have bigger DPS toolkit, you are expected to use it and then its more likely to see people wipe because of it. Its funny, that healers are always the biggest crybabies in the game. First, they had it too hard. Now its too simple. And majority of the crybabies are people who never did anything harder than normal raids. Like what. Why this bonkers thread have already 600+ pages? Are you all crazy?

Go touch grass or go play DPS. We havent even seen yet how much damage will this Savage gonna brings and nobody cares about your strike. I have insta quee as tank and long quee as healer, so I can only laugh.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

So healers wanna see more damage buttons and less party mitigations/selfheals?

And then we see wipes, because little white mage here wanted to press one more DPS button. Just no. If you have bigger DPS toolkit, you are expected to use it and then its more likely to see people wipe because of it. Its funny, that healers are always the biggest crybabies in the game. First, they had it too hard. Now its too simple. And majority of the crybabies are people who never did anything harder than normal raids. Like what. Why this bonkers thread have already 600+ pages? Are you all crazy?

Go touch grass or go play DPS. We havent even seen yet how much damage will this Savage gonna brings and nobody cares about your strike. I have insta quee as tank and long quee as healer, so I can only laugh.

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Oh please. The kind of sub-casual tier healer that would struggle with a single button extra isn't pushing their DPS buttons in the first place. Stop making up boogeymen when even the casual players are saying "THIS SUCKS!"

Also there are several Ultimate raiders in here who also agree. THIS. SUCKS.

My FAVORITE so far has been people saying "Go play DPS then"

They are. That's what this thread is. That is what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by People that don't play healers

Healers are fine! Go play DPS if you don't like it

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I think my gameplay in leveling roulette should be fun.

I wonder how many times the absolute geniuses have said "If you don't want to just mash one button, go play DPS."

I wouldn't recommend someone combing through 600 pages to find all those single digit IQ individuals.


And as for going to DPS... Some healers did, I have gone through the MSQ as a Bard, because I do like the more support oriented role, and even Bard has more complexity than healers.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

If you have bigger DPS toolkit, you are expected to use it

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Your logic is inconsistent.

Healers are already expected to use their DPS kit, and if the issue is "you should be using all your kit all the time" - then why isn't that true for healing, as well? I, and others, literally don't have the majority of our heal spells on our bars because they're not needed.

If we're don't have to heal, and we're not going to be able to have engaging DPS gameplay, why on earth do we exist?

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Go touch grass or go play DPS.

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Thank you for your support and understanding of what our strike is meant to do.

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We havent even seen yet how much damage will this Savage gonna brings

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Most players don't touch savage, or even extremes. Not that this issue doesn't persist there either.

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nobody cares about your strike.

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And yet here you are, showing your support. Thank you!

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I have insta quee as tank and long quee as healer, so I can only laugh.

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And thank you for queuing as healer so we don't have to, we appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

So healers wanna see more damage buttons and less party mitigations/selfheals?

And then we see wipes, because little white mage here wanted to press one more DPS button. Just no. If you have bigger DPS toolkit, you are expected to use it and then its more likely to see people wipe because of it. Its funny, that healers are always the biggest crybabies in the game. First, they had it too hard. Now its too simple. And majority of the crybabies are people who never did anything harder than normal raids. Like what. Why this bonkers thread have already 600+ pages? Are you all crazy?

Go touch grass or go play DPS. We havent even seen yet how much damage will this Savage gonna brings and nobody cares about your strike. I have insta quee as tank and long quee as healer, so I can only laugh.

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Uh huh sure. Come back when you have something relevant to add.

notice it's mostly the newer players complaining....yet it's mostly the newer players letting me as a tank main die

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Originally Posted by Dubont

notice it's mostly the newer players complaining....yet it's mostly the newer players letting me as a tank main die

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Imagine dying as a Tank.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

notice it's mostly the newer players complaining....yet it's mostly the newer players letting me as a tank main die

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I had almost 1200 days subbed. I'm not new.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Imagine dying as a Tank.

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Not all tanks have the amount of sustain as War. On top of that, content outside of dungeon have mechanics that tanks simply cannot heal through.

Imagine being a healer and not healing.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

notice it's mostly the newer players complaining....yet it's mostly the newer players letting me as a tank main die

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With all the mitigation, healing and self sustain they got nowadays, I'm sorry but if a tank dies it's all on themself.

I can admit a tank dying from lack of healing if it's a DRK and it's only if DPS are bad on top of that, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Not all tanks have the amount of sustain as War. On top of that, content outside of dungeon have mechanics that tanks simply cannot heal through.

Imagine being a healer and not healing.

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This has nothing to do with anything, but laughed as your levelling card looks exactly like mine. All the combat classes at 90 except Machinist, not even unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Not all tanks have the amount of sustain as War. On top of that, content outside of dungeon have mechanics that tanks simply cannot heal through.

Imagine being a healer and not healing.

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I've seen DRK this expansion solo bosses so in regards to dungeons, I see nothing wrong with my statement. Savage Raids and the like are another story altogether.

I used to heal all the time but there's nothing to really heal anymore so I've stopped.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

This has nothing to do with anything, but laughed as your levelling card looks exactly like mine. All the combat classes at 90 except Machinist, not even unlocked.

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the card is actually pretty inaccurate as MCH is at 90 just like the others. It also shows my DRK as 90 but it has been at 100 for almost 2 days. Not sure why it never updates correctly.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

I used to heal all the time but there's nothing to really heal anymore so I've stopped.

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I just overheal now. Medica 3 is gorgeous and I need to see it!

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

I've seen DRK this expansion solo bosses so in regards to dungeons, I see nothing wrong with my statement. Savage Raids and the like are another story altogether.

I used to heal all the time but there's nothing to really heal anymore so I've stopped.

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which as I clearly stated, "content outside of dungeons." Many of the dungeon bosses I've been able to solo from 30% or even half health because the healer was too busy trying to DPS and wasnt following mechanics. Outside of dungeons though, this isn't the case. Dungeons are easy mode content and were designed as such for a very valid reason.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

which as I clearly stated, "content outside of dungeons." Many of the dungeon bosses I've been able to solo from 30% or even half health because the healer was too busy trying to DPS and wasnt following mechanics. Outside of dungeons though, this isn't the case. Dungeons are easy mode content and were designed as such for a very valid reason.

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Pretty sure the healer was dozing because of the glare spam without anything to heal. They weren't rly busy in fact.

And hey, you still killed the boss without them and since you didn't die, their job was done.

This interview does not make you healerstrike peeps look good at all. https://youtu.be/4_NsNMEAdPo?si=_OulG9xLb7GaYjFa as someone who likes to heal on the side having mechanics with every boss or at least most should have engaging moments with healers.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Imagine being a healer and not healing.

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Don't have to - I'm a healer who doesn't have to heal, because it's simply not needed. Even in high end content, the amount of healing needed is minimal compared to the amount of times you press your 1 damage button.

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Originally Posted by LucienFaust

This interview does not make you healerstrike peeps look good at all. https://youtu.be/4_NsNMEAdPo?si=_OulG9xLb7GaYjFa as someone who likes to heal on the side having mechanics with every boss or at least most should have engaging moments with healers.

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I think the major problem with the Healer Strike is whether or not the claims are valid or not (I personally agree with most if not all of them), the perception by the broader community is just so negative it seems its insane. The idea that people who are upset won't renew their sub just appears to the average person as "Okay they don't like something and won't engage with it. What is the big deal?"

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Originally Posted by Rosie_Roses

I think the major problem with the Healer Strike is whether or not the claims are valid or not (I personally agree with most if not all of them), the perception by the broader community is just so negative it seems its insane. The idea that people who are upset won't renew their sub just appears to the average person as "Okay they don't like something and won't engage with it. What is the big deal?"

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Xiv's toxic underbelly showing itself. I think the terminology is polarizing in itself, and people have latched on to the stupidest part of strawmans.

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Originally Posted by LucienFaust

This interview does not make you healerstrike peeps look good at all. https://youtu.be/4_NsNMEAdPo?si=_OulG9xLb7GaYjFa as someone who likes to heal on the side having mechanics with every boss or at least most should have engaging moments with healers.

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Got a TL;DR because I'm not going to watch a 2 hour video about someone quite possibly misrepresenting the issue...

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Got a TL;DR because I'm not going to watch a 2 hour video about someone quite possibly misrepresenting the issue...

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It's the same thing as this thread really. Different people are upset about different things and want different solutions to the problems they see. Four "leaders" of the movement gave four different takes from four different levels of experience and backgrounds. But anyone who dares suggest that the goalposts are moving is met with "YoU dIDn'T rEaD tHe pOsT". Gcbtw.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Got a TL;DR because I'm not going to watch a 2 hour video about someone quite possibly misrepresenting the issue...

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I thought the interview was quite good. Dunno which side you are referring to misrepresenting things.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

Xiv's toxic underbelly showing itself. I think the terminology is polarizing in itself, and people have latched on to the stupidest part of strawmans.

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And suprising no one the inclusive and loving community turns out to actually be toxic to anyone who doesn't completely conform to it.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

notice it's mostly the newer players complaining....yet it's mostly the newer players letting me as a tank main die

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Citation needed.

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Originally Posted by Capstone

It's the same thing as this thread really. Different people are upset about different things and want different solutions to the problems they see. Four "leaders" of the movement gave four different takes from four different levels of experience and backgrounds. But anyone who dares suggest that the goalposts are moving is met with "YoU dIDn'T rEaD tHe pOsT". Gcbtw.

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Why is it difficult to accept there are multiple issues with healers. And the issues individual people focus on are what is most important for getting their own enjoyment out of the game. From what I've seen people supporting the strike have been quite open about that.

And the last time I've seen a reaction to someone claiming the strike is moving goalposts was my own. And that was very very very far from what you're claiming. That was against someone that argued that the strike couldn't be a success if it didn't disrupt the game. And the idea that the strike has to disrupt the game has mostly been promoted by people opposing the strike. If you look through the whole thread I am sure you can find 1 or 2 people who support the strike and also think it has to disrupt the game, but that was certainly not a consensus. So disagreeing with that, is not moving goalposts.

If you think healers have nothing to do. Do anything in the worst combat expansion and the hardest; Dawntrail. If you haven't done any of it as a healer. Thanks your problem thinking theres nothing to do.