Oh dear. Sounds like an Arcanist I had in Halatali. He never once DPS and spammed nothing but Physicks... even on me, a scholar. Like one time we were just standing around waiting for the tank, he kept healing the healer, haha.
lol I had a BLM last night (me WHM) who kept casting physick on himself when he got hit even a little... don't know if he was trying to let me dps more but it was like well that's not really gonna help >.< let me heal you once instead of you trying to do the same amount of healing but having to cast physick 6/7 times to get anywhere near the potency of 1 of my cures! your damage is higher than mine (or should be) just stick to attacking ^^;
We have CD reset on trials/raids after wipe \o/!!!
Machinist: PLS, wait for my reload a bit.
DAMN YOU!!!!!
I've gotten used to being a NIN with a controller. It was my main, so it wasn't too hard. So I went my second class, the AST. My FC needed a healer for expert. It would be my second time healing on a controller, but I've single handedly saved parties from wipes a few times. And these expert dungeons don't hit that hard, what's the worst that could happen? He pulls the first two mobs and I'm fumbling around trying to remember where I put my sects. I found them just in time for him to die. He decides to do one group at a time. A couple pulls in and I'm starting to get confident, I hit him with both Regens and switch to Cleric Stance, watching his health. It drops below 30% and I cast Exalted Detriment. Didn't even switch off Cleric Stance. Wait his HP is still dropping, whoops I meant to cast Essential Dignity. That isn't even on my hotbars. At that point I decided to stay out of Cleric Stance until I got used to the controller better.
I wish there was a better way to practice healing outside of subjecting your friends and/or random tanks to it.
FC mates wanted to run PotD real quick before they crashed so I went heals for them. Tore straight through 1-10, started 11-20, got to floor 12 or 13.
One FC mate tripped a landmine at the same time I went for the nearby silver chest. RNG being what it is, the chest exploded. Never have I wiped so fast or laughed so hard. My friend even saved the replay.
Some good news from Weeping city, ran it for the first time as a tank yesterday (DRK) but had run it several times as Healer. However I had taken a break for a month so was rusty. Ended up being the MT for the entire run, had a few casualties around but never wiped on a boss. Get the last one and I mention that it's my first time so don't expect me to turn her for the hair swipes and both the other tanks spoke up and stated it was their first time as well. So basically 3 newbie tanks and no wipes, good day I say.
To the DRK co-tank I had in the Raid Finder for Sophia Ex right now:
It's a Duty Complete farm party, and you don't know when to tank swap (hint: it's not 3 seconds after the tank buster). You told me "I got this." after the first wipe. You lied to me.
You did your job stereotype proud tonight after you let me die three times on the second pull, and then proceeded to have an edgy, brooding sulk in the corner after I point out that, no, you clearly haven't "got this" - During the fight, leaving the rest of the party to die.
The sole solace I have is that I actually managed to tank it solo through two more busters before I ran out of cooldowns, because the healers were winners.
So, since I finally did Xelphatol this week, Mentor Roulette is a thing again.
I just...don't know how to even begin describing my experience in there just now ^^°
Went as AST, got Sastasha normal with 3 complete newbies (as in, first class, first time inside).
Got a future WAR, future SMN and future MNK (sorry, I'm not good with the English class names, so I'll refer to them by their future jobs from now on xD).
Threw on Protect, switched it out for Cleric Stance and we were ready to go! :D
Adorable first-timer lvl 15 WAR was very careful, only pulling 2-3 monsters at a time. I just proceeded to DPS because I'm not gonna push a new tank into anything he's uncomfortable with :o
Very, very quickly I had to realize though, that he was absolutely not interested in hitting more than one oppontent at a time, meaning I constantly had 2-3 adds on me.
I'm not so squishy that it would kill me, but it is annoying, interrupts my cast and keeps me from DPSing. Having to spam heal on myself generates so much heal aggro I eventually tank the entire group..not cool.
So, as careful and friendly as I could I tried to explain the problem (doesn't help that WAR is about the only class that I know literally NOTHING about..xD):
"Hey, [insert tank name] :) On your hotbar, there should be a skill called "Overpower". It's an AoE, meaning it hits all the monsters in front of you. Try using it at the beginning of a pull, with all the monsters in front of you, then they will attack you and not everyone else in the party!^^"
*awkward silence follows in which the WAR just keeps hitting a single monster out of every group with Heavy Swing, Heavy Swing, Heavy Swing*
I drop the topic since we are busy with all the fireflies and shells. After the first mini-boss, the trouble continues, and in general, I notice a distinct lack of DPS whenever I have to stop DPSing to spam-heal myself.
A closer look reveals that the Arcanist's pet is not attacking. It's summoned, but just tripples around boredly, obviously got ordered to not participate in the fights at all. And DoTs are at most used on 1 monster out of each pull.
Ehm okay.
What?
I'm halfway through typing a sentence that adequately shows my incredulity while also staying friendly and helpful and understanding to newbies, but never get to send it, because that's about the time when the second caster in the group decides this is all not going fast enough for him and starts running headfirst into every enemy group and bossroom in range, before the tank ofc (who never gets aggro back because who cares about Overpower..>.>). So I struggle to keep this guy alive while somewhere in the back of my head, alarm bells start ringing. Yet it still takes me until the final room before the boss to realize the thing that seemed off the entire time: there is no second caster in this group. The second DPS was a MNK, wasn't he? ô.o
But then who is the guy in the Cotton Cowl? I examine him, and lose all trust in humanity as I see that he is wearing the full mage set, from boots to body/head to even jewelry. As a pre-MNK.
Somewhere, a last remnant of my sanity tries to find explanations, maybe he started as a mage class, maybe he didn't have time, quests and Gil available to gear up his MNK. Maybe...a look at his profile shows all classes but MNK at zero.
I..
I try to be nice.
I'm a mentor. He probably just doesn't know.
"Ehm, [name of the MNK]?
In case you weren't aware, all your current gear is for mages. Meaning it severely limits your ability to deal damage as a pugilist ^^
You should try to wear gear that gives you additional strength from now on, not intelligence and mind :)"
*awkward silence follows, as once again I get ignored and the ill-equipped MNK runs straight into the bossroom and starts the fight while I scurry to get in before the gate closes*
Let's just say, nobody bothers with boss mechanics, which is a problem, because party DMG is so incredibly horrible that "just burn the boss down" is not an option (we were at ~12 adds by the time the boss was at 50% HP T-T).
MNK is definitely convinced he is not a melee, because he'd be damned to touch that LB button :rolleyes:
Because I'm also not a healer but a tank in a healer's body appearently, we somehow survive and finally finish the dungeon xD
I just accept that the chat is a foreign object to these 3 people but basic curtesy tells me to still say my goodbyes.
"Thanks for the run, and please try the advice^^"
I don't expect an answer.
This party has shown more than obviously how they treat the chat.
But just as I am about to hit "yes" on leaving, the tank suddenly speaks!
"[MNK name] ur crap
rest gg"
...aaand he's gone o_o'
The MNK does not respond, wins the roll on the Acolyte's Robe and unequipps his Cotton Cowl, and before he can realize that the Acolyte's Robe is for mages only and he won't be able to equip it, I flee from this insanity.
Just tried running Aetherochemical. Not really sure what was going on, done this a bunch of times no problem. DRK tank did a normal pull to the first wall, we wiped because he didn't keep proper aggro and the healer was trying to keep herself alive.
Managed to get them on me instead and switch to earth stance, tried to run them back to the tank but he had already died. Second try he halves the group sizing and we make it to the first boss. Through the tank still
had aggro issues along the way, not helped by the healer who stands off in the distance healing through things instead of running the strays to us. Took me a while to notice sometimes, though a little peeved I was the one who had to notice
and the tank wasn't paying attention. Anyway, we wipe halfway through first boss for ...reasons? We're not sure what happened. It seems like the tank died during or just left or something. We had to abandon. :-[
Dzemael Darkhold. The tank always tanked the mobs wherever they stood. Didn't move them to blue crystal zones, didn't pull them out of exploding crystal AOEs.
I was a monk. HALP.
I'll admit, I started as an Archer (future Bard ^^) and when I went into Satsasha the first time I was wearing a cowl - I didn't realise about the +Int etc below I only looked at the Def & Magic Def and it outweighed anything else I had so thought it was the right gear! >.<
However, like you did, someone explained to me in Satsasha that I needed Disciple of War gear, ideally with Dex and omg did my life improve :P But, even though at the time I had no wireless keyboard and I was playing on Ps4, I quickly typed out "sorry, thank you, still learning" or something to that effect. There's no need to ignore people :/ and definitely to not then get in a mood and pull everything you can! :s
Lol who was he to say anything to the Mnk!? These kinda stories make me worried for if I ever get to Mentor Roulette, I was hoping it would be people happy to take advice >.< I guess it's the same as normal DF :(
Hopefully they do take your advice though & get to enjoy the game properly.
Atoli, I've heard stories like that before. A friend of mine ran into a mage-geared tank in Toto-Rak once and it was a horrible run for her to say the least. While we joke about it now (I even used a Cotton Cowl glamour on my Warrior for a while when she was running dungeons with me for leveling), it's not something you ever want to see.
Gubal Hard last night. Tank is new to instance, yay bonus. 1st warning sign comes, when healer starts grumbling about "not this again" when he loads in. All in all, a bit uneventful with healer pulling mobs ahead of the tank, but nothing we couldn't handle. The real trouble came after the 2nd flame boss. Healer sprints ahead and pulls all three groups of mobs, dk tries to grab aggro back, couldn't handle it and dies. We wipe twice before healer starts cursing the tank out for being useless. Noting after the 1st wipe, healer refused to prot or SS the party, and after being reminded several times, cusses us out, saying that his parties can deal without protect and we were weak casuals. Poor tank took the brunt of the abuse. After looking at tank's gear and seeing that he was new, we all tried defending him against the abusive healer, but we were told to shut up, and stop catering our play styles to shit players. (uh what?) A vote dismiss was initiated against the tank, and very luckily, it didn't go through.
Suffice to say, at 1am odd in the morning, we weren't going to deal with the abuse, and he was vote dismissed. The other DD called in his FC mate as a replacement and we cleared that instance with no problems after. Poor tank, the other monk and I felt really sorry for him. He tried his best with 210 gear but hey... clearly it isn't enough for some people who just want to mass pull and finish the dungeon in 10 seconds.
MS roulette drops me, as AST, into Castrum Meridianum, where the party consists of a PLD, WAR, 2 ASTs, 1 MNK, and 3 DRGs.
As we get to the 1st boss, I suggest doing smaller pulls, since the DPS seem to be running into TP issues with spamming AoEs on large pulls. The MNK promptly speaks up, claiming that Castrum "takes forever" and that if we do smaller pulls, they will kill themselves.
Well, at least I'm not the one being told to off myself this time. So apparently, daring to suggest smaller pulls, which supposedly makes a run take longer, makes me a bitch now.
In my past experience, Castrum takes about 20 minutes, with decent AoE DPS and a tank that knows what they're doing. Since we had neither, it ended up taking about 25-30 minutes instead.
Still, if 20 minutes counts as "forever" for some people, their bedroom lives must be simply awful.
Midas 1, trying to get a few bolts for alt classes.
One of our tanks dced, but the other one just said "Its ok, I can solo tank this, Just watch out for his tankbuster".
We got some new ppl, so he just explained every mechanic for them and we were good to go.
Even with 2 wipes, we got our clear.
If anyone know a guy named Nombre Apellido, tell him he's awesome. =)
My friend and I were leveling some classes a little while back, me on PLD and him on BRD. It was a mostly uneventful leveling process, but there were a couple of those duty finder moments.
Firstly, we were running Qarn NM. We zone in, hellos are said, and I start pulling. First pull goes fine, things dying at a normal pace. Midway through the second pull, the other dps (I don't remember what they were) just leaves. Doesn't disconnect, just leaves. Right after this we notice that the scholar is just sitting at the doorway, not healing. So we get through the pull with a combination of stun-locking, cooldowns, and SSing myself. Right as we are finishing the last monster, the scholar finishes whatever they were presumably typing.
Scholar: "lol this bard has downs"
Me: "Excuse me?"
Friend: "What?"
Scholar: "yeah I'm leaving, he has no gear on. DPS sucks"
He leaves before we can tell him it's a GLAMOUR. Seriously, it was just a swimsuit glamour. I'd assume that the two of them were a pre-made, but it wasn't like they were new or anything. I guess they never heard of glamour? Wow. And bringing down syndrome into things as an insult really showed how we were getting the bottom of the barrel players in DF in that run.
For the second story, my friend and I were running stone vigil NM. We notice that during the pulls, the healer (a SCH) is just spamming adlo on me with eos on sic while sitting on full aetherflow stacks. I mean, I'm staying alive for a little while like this, but the problem comes when we get to some of the pulls that can end up bigger. They aren't using energy drain or reusing aetherflow, and spamming adlo takes a fair amount of MP, so they start running out and we wipe on a trash pull from lack of heals. This scholar isn't new to the dungeon, but is a new scholar in general, so my friend and I, both being level 60 SCHs, give some polite advice and tell him to use aetherflow/energy drain/physick. He responds saying, "I use adlo because it shields and gives a regen. Heals the most." My friend and I are baffled by this, and of course tell him that is false. He insists though that it gives a regen because the tank's health goes up while the shield still hasn't been broken. We tell him that it's just the fairy healing or maybe even the fairy regen that is raising my health while the adlo is up, but nope. Far be it from this scholar to trust the word of two level 60 ones. Even the black mage in the party pipes up about this, but after that the scholar doesn't speak. On the last boss I was getting physicks from the black mage because the scholar was running out of MP, and their magical adlo regens weren't keeping me up. You got our comms BLM
Happy one this time. To all those in my Raid Finder party for Sophia EX last night. You have given me hope again, no matter how false it may be. Considering that I have normally had a ton of EX parties go very salty within 5 minutes and disband from 1 wipe, the fact that you guys held together and were willing and eager to learn alongside me was very encouraging. Special thanks to the PLD who had cleared and who was giving us tips the entire time.
Usually I am in "lurker mode", and prefer more to read than to post. But below was an incident a few days ago with someone from Ultros, which left me, in
Dr. Leonard Hofstadter's word "befuddled".
https://s17.postimg.org/kschrfq4v/rsi.png
It was way in the morning, and I just got out of an A9S clear a few hours prior. My roulette popped, so I ported in and said my hello, and turned my head from the screen momentarily to take a sip of water. When I turned my head back, I saw a familiar question which I have came across many times before from our tank(lets call her KatethePld for now).
I suppose her question was more directed to me than anyone else. But when 4 strangers(the other two being a SMN and BLM, I think) are placed together first time as a team, that question is ambiguous at best, since I just don't have sufficient data to provide an informed answer. What I usually say is somewhere along the line of, "Let's try a medium test-pull and see how things go."
Mind you, my reply showed up on my own screen a fraction of a second prior to the tank's reply. And right after she posted, she immediately dropped out of pt. The whole "fiasco" lasted for less than 30 secs. The rest of the party was left scratching our heads, confused. What's with the rush?!
But we got a replacement tank soon after and finished it with no issues.
Cheers,
D.
I just had sohm al from mentor roulette as a monk with dark, ast and nin..
DRK pulled 2 monster from the start without having protect being casted and started losing aggro to me, the other monster got nin as 2nd aggro list at around 3/4 bar.. tank decided to mass pull during the 2 poison drake segment and we wiped.. Ast healing was rather fine if i may say from using synastry, lightspeed and any other asta healing tool.. The drk had like awful defense buff which he only used at around last moment when he almost died.
After we killed the first boss, i began to notice that AST never casted a single card during the first segment, so i asked why:
Me : Name, is there a problem with your cards?
Ast: not really
Ast: just rather heal and dps rather than use them
Me: ok then..
We proceeded sorta fine while the drk lost aggro ocasionally, and suddenly the ast used balance on me once, and a bole on tank.. and that's it..
One time when I was running a level 50 dungeon roulette a DPS player got mad at me for not ignoring Boss mechanics.
The reason was because he said the group agreed to skip mechanics in their Voice chat.
I said to him that I am not part of their Voice chat so I can't hear what they say and that he should have discussed it with me first before they constantly rushed through the dungeon.
and the person's reply was "F**** you noob" and he then quit the dungeon with his "friends"
Finally tried Thordan Ex through the Raid Finder, but of course after some wipes they abandon. :/ Couldn't get past the 2nd phase. I was willing to go the full time, too especially after waiting almost an hour for the que to pop. Bleh.
PotD is not hard content, but twice now this week we've wiped on 41-50 with hoard pieces. 30+ minutes each time down the drain. Even basic strategies are just beyond the recent batch of players.
Don't pull mobs alone away from the party as we're leaving the room.
Don't run all over the room with your mobs as we're pulling more mobs and spawn yet more mobs.
Especially do not do this if you or the tank/healer cannot handle these big surprise pulls.
Do not open chests during battle and set off landmines or spawn mimics.
Don't yank mobs out of the BLM's AOE when we just spent a Witching Pomander on them and run off.
Just don't do it, and we clear and get to keep our goodies.
Guess it's back to healing this myself. Half the time we don't even have a healer 41-50, anyway.
Tanking Xelphatol as PLD.
Me: "Hmm, I just did a huge pull, my HP is naturally dropping rather fast, and this SCH is spam healing me in Cleric Stance. No biggie, just type out a quick reminder of that fact, and pop Hallowed Ground to buy them some time."
10 seconds later...
Me: "Oh god I'm gonna die I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, they're still in Cleric Stance, blow ALL the cooldowns and I can't even Clemency any more."
Aaah, the good old classics. And another anecdote from the other side of the tank/healer fence, Dusk Vigil as SCH.
The tank is a lvl. 51 WAR in full Mythrite gear, which is mostly NQ. They had 10k HP in Defiance. I am baffled as to how anyone could have 2 lvl. 60 jobs and yet not have enough Poetics to afford even 1 piece of Ironworks gear. That this WAR seemed to enjoy doing large pulls did not help. Their HP dropped like a hot potato on pulls of 3 mobs. From 10k to 3k in 5 seconds. I'm not even joking.
Yet, through the grace of god and all that is healing, I managed to prevent any deaths, right up until the WAR decided to pull the last 4 mobs together, just before the final boss. The giant wolf and the 3 ice sprites, in a place where the wind blows and gives people uncleansable Frostbite? Yeah, the wolf buffs its own physical attack, and those sprites each hit me, an overleveled, overgeared SCH, for 800 per hit. I tried, oh, how I tried, but nope, couldn't heal through that, and we wiped.
You actually got Thordan EX to pop? Lol.
I signed up for that yesterday morning, then left the house and forgot I was still in queue. Returned and noticed the queue, but went to watch the stream, hours of discussions, checking the raid finder just for fun inbetween. Went to bed in the end.
Now I came back and realized I was signed up for it for about 24 hours - the entire time at 1/8 <3
Wow, I wouldn't even want to keep myself logged overnight. I'd have given up long ago. O.O Buy yeah, it was around 57-58 minutes when it finally popped. I qued yesterday night and went in as DPS. Such a shame people would que for an hour or more then abandon after some wipes. I might try again this weekend.
It was more of a test how long it would actually take, and then I'd be able to have a good laugh at myself for obviously missing the pop :D
Just..the pop never came xD It maxed out at 999:59, no idea if it even continued searching after those ~ 17 hours?
I guess your data center is still more interested in doing old content than mine^^°
Too bad, with them announcing yesterday that we get the Kirin aequivalent for the birds with 3.5 :x
Kind of want to farm them all before that :p
Just got out of a really special Haukke Manor run.
I'm on Paladin, my wife is leveling Conjurer at 29, we have a Bard, and a Pugilist. Cool. But, then, I look and see that the Pugilist is synced down from 39. He has no job stone. Okay... Well, he's not missing too much at this synced level.
I then notice, as we go, that our DPS is a bit sluggish. This guy isn't building Greased Lightning. I don't even know how you can play Pugilist without figuring that out. I tried telling him, "Build Greased Lightning", and other such things, but he never said a word or changed how he was playing.
We cleared no problem, but jeez... I don't want to see that guy in any higher level content.
Okay, so this is what I'd term a frustrating run on the cuter/funnier side of things.
So I was doing the dungeon grind to advance my Black Mage Anima from 170 -> 200. When I reached The Wanderer's Palace (Hard) is where the fun happened. So at first, nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Got to the first boss right quick, seemed a little rough, but really that's normal. Then the Tank went to do the big pull after said first boss, and died pretty much instantly. So I took a look at our healer, and noticed that he was severely undergeared. ilvl90 stuff from Job Quests, a couple bits of ilvl100 from the 2.5 dungeons. But then his weapon and half his accessories were still stuff from the level 40s! So advise the Tank it's probably best to stick to small pulls. I don't recall him saying anything, but he did so either he took the advice or figured it out himself. Poor undergeared Healer apologized a few times, and we made it through alright; but we wiped once to the second boss before I figured and advised which puddles to stand in or not, and the last boss twice because it's a really rough one even for at-level healers, nevermind one lagging behind so. So I wound up helping out by throwing out some pitiful heals of my own to try and help ease the burden a bit; I don't think I've ever done so much healing as BLM except when I solo FATEs! XD
Overall, took a while, but it was a fun run. And bless that Lala, he tried his best. I do hope he was able to get some better gear.
I admittedly haven't stepped into raid content much. Like, I've only stepped into Thordan EX during the first week it was released with friends, and never touched Savage/Sephirot/Nidhogg EX at all. Why? I was simply too scared to even try. Friends finally pushed me to do Sophia EX and I actually cleared that one.
Today, most of them are off at the fanfest, and I decided to muster up the courage to go learn Sephirot EX because I really, really want the bird from there. Cue six hours straight of slamming my head against his fist in failure, and parties falling apart as everyone accuses each other of screwing up something, while I silently make mental notes in the corner about what I could have done to relieve stress on the others as a Bard.
One day, I will get my clear. For now I feel I know the fight enough to do so, it's now just a matter of finding people that will accept me. ;_;
(At least before my friends return from their trip...)
Snowcloak, on my alt, no limit set, all the hot bars all backwards from my main... I'm so sorry team lol
We beat it just fine, it wasn't a fail, just I was like OH GOD, OH GOD... to myself
So I wanted to level BLM on my alt and went to Cutter's Cry. Got paired with three mentors who all treated me like a firsttimer - my alt has the Novice icon, but there was no bonus message... like, the tank pulled three mobs, and while I cast Fire III to build up stacks, the AST writ: "Use {Fire II}" and was very happy when I did so cuz that's just what a BLM does at 3+ mobs and I planned on AOEing things anyway :o Instructions for boss fights followed, which I found very nice, but also very weird... I mean, mentors actually explaining things are weird enough, but then explaining things to someone who isn't even a firsttimer ^^
...and then all three mentors kept eating Chimera's Voice attacks :o
I've only been playing for two weeks now and doing dungeon runs as the main story requires. I'm pretty sure all the screw-ups (bouncing aggro, falling off ledges, getting lost, not noticing adds) are all on me, yet everyone has seemed quite patient (no quitters, no scoldings). So apologies in advance if you draw me in your low-level instance as tank, I'll do my best! But people so far have seemed really patient and friendly. :)
I'd say a majority of players are patient and friendly with new people, especially new tanks. If you let them know you're new and learning more often than not you'll encounter some awesome people. Occasionally you'll get paired with a douchebag, just don't let that discourage you. :)