Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

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Originally Posted by Lucifina

So, about turn 4. Is it doable with 3 magical dps?

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It's probably doable, but I can't say it won't be more annoying. If you can get past Wave 2 with no issues then it should be fine, there's 2 knights that repel magic so your only means of damage will be tanks, 1 DPS and SMN using Bane to spread DoT from the soldiers.

On the bright side if you manage to get to wave 6 the last Soldier wont be a problem like it usually is.

I have heard of groups running 3 physical, so I don't think it's impossible to run 3 magical, but it does place a greater burden on your DPS players to compensate for the lack of balancing.

We did it with 4 physical DPS, not sure how 3 magical pairs up? but it most likely can be done..

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Originally Posted by Incipid

We did it with 4 physical DPS, not sure how 3 magical pairs up? but it most likely can be done..

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Thats pretty awesome you were able to do it with 4 phys DPS. I assume for 3 magical the roughest spot is wave 2 -> 3 transition because that 2nd Knight will most likely only be between 80-40% when the Dreadnaught spawns. For Wave5 you can meele LB that Knight and then for Wave 6 that last Knight can be taken down by 1 dps / offtank fairly easily (even easier if DoT's get Baned on it from the Soldier)

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Originally Posted by Incipid

We did it with 4 physical DPS, not sure how 3 magical pairs up? but it most likely can be done..

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Yeah, that's pretty sick, nice work.

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

Well there's the exploit issue....after it was posted in the Japan forums. Now let's see about the other issues that make the fight unbeatable.

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Is it actually impossible or just no one figured the fight out yet?

Great news: Twister...

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To clear this up for everyone not yet experiencing this, I think it's about time to really start escalating this harder. It's not 'impossible' but it's nearly impossible thanks to an insta-kill mechanic that is laggy and extremely inconsistent.

The mechanic in particular is called Twister - as far as anyone has been able to find out, you just run out of it. It is an insta-kill period, there is no amount of gear that will make it easier. And you can run out of it. Sometimes. When the server likes you. This IS in the Accepted Bugs forum, so yes, it's extremely likely that there is no other secret to it (link to said thread will be provided below).

A lot of guilds have been quiet on details due to shooting for world first, but at this point, we're all experiencing the same thing, admitting or not.

Video demonstrating the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo3AewOwog

Link to the bug thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mechanic/page2

Gating boss kills behind a bug like this just to prevent people from clearing content too soon is just amazing. I have little doubt they will not even mention this before 2.1 and then it will "magically" fix itself as 200+ people roll over it day one of the patch baring day long maintenance.

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

Gating boss kills behind a bug like this just to prevent people from clearing content too soon is just amazing. I have little doubt they will not even mention this before 2.1 and then it will "magically" fix itself as 200+ people roll over it day one of the patch baring day long maintenance.

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Exactly this. SE is known for obscene mechanics issues. It's essentially their way of halting progression until they are ready. This bug will stay there until 2.1 I'm sure. In their eyes it's killable and only those with extreme luck will be able to do it.

Guess it's back to FF XI days and class stacking just to beat a single broken mechanic

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Originally Posted by Xilrasis

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Yup, so happy a twister thread made it to "accepted bugs" and nothing was done about it

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Originally Posted by Supap

Yup, so happy a twister thread made it to "accepted bugs" and nothing was done about it

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Accepted bugs are not confirmed bugs

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Originally Posted by Senzura

Accepted bugs are not confirmed bugs

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And even more apparently not "fixed bugs". Maybe SE needs some time to figure out what exactly causes this issue and to come up with a working fix? It's not like any accepted bugs will always be fixed with the very next updates. Some things need time for proper investigation or tricky coding. Apart from that if this is really related to the latency, position updating bug, then they probably have to rework all of their net code, which will probably take some serious ammount of time.

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Originally Posted by SonyaArin

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Video demonstrating the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo3AewOwog

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If that's how modified raid 1 deal with twister I can see now why Xil won't stop complaining about it everyday. I'm still laughing. *troll-eye* -> We love you guys.

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Originally Posted by Senzura

Accepted bugs are not confirmed bugs

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This statement is exactly why I'm trying to draw more attention to it. There's a possibility this is 'working as intended' and that we are all missing something, it's even possible it's not working as intended but they'll say that it is as a gate to the content. But I want to keep drawing attention to it until we get a response, whatever that response may be.

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Originally Posted by Ariyn

Exactly this. SE is known for obscene mechanics issues. It's essentially their way of halting progression until they are ready. This bug will stay there until 2.1 I'm sure. In their eyes it's killable and only those with extreme luck will be able to do it.

Guess it's back to FF XI days and class stacking just to beat a single broken mechanic

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Did FFXI have class stacking issue in the raids? How often?

bumping for justice.

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Originally Posted by Incipid

We did it with 4 physical DPS, not sure how 3 magical pairs up? but it most likely can be done..

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It's a bit harder because Knights reflect magic damage where as Soldiers straight up just don't take physical damage. Not undo-able but probably a harder set up than 3-4 physical.

Soldiers take some physical damage, it's just reduced. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be able to beat on the soldier to keep my rotation going while waiting for dreadnought to spawn since hitting for 0 does not advance monk stances. Now if they happen to have stone skin up then yes you hit for 0 until that's down.

For Turn 5 (twisters) I need them to either acknowledge that it is working as intended, acknowledge it is bugged, or release a bad ass video of them downing it - because this is redic.

I wonder if it's actually a bug or there's just some gimmick no one figured out yet

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

I wonder if it's actually a bug or there's just some gimmick no one figured out yet

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Although I am not geared for coil just yet, I do believe it is possible still that there is something awkward to do to kill the boss, especially if SE just spent a week in there performing bug fixes on the boss and have not stated anything was wrong with it. SE is a company that likes difficult gimmicks. Is everyone still too secretive to say what strange things they've attempted in order to beat this boss?

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Originally Posted by Alvana

If that's how modified raid 1 deal with twister I can see now why Xil won't stop complaining about it everyday. I'm still laughing. *troll-eye* -> We love you guys.

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Can't quite figure out if this is serious or sarcasm. Someone help me out here.

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Originally Posted by NarwhalShadowsun

Although I am not geared for coil just yet, I do believe it is possible still that there is something awkward to do to kill the boss, especially if SE just spent a week in there performing bug fixes on the boss and have not stated anything was wrong with it. SE is a company that likes difficult gimmicks. Is everyone still too secretive to say what strange things they've attempted in order to beat this boss?

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That's the problem and if you've seen the video posted a page back you'd see just what it is. At this point if something has not been tried yet then there are some bad progression groups out there that don't care about world first. Everything has been tried on the twister phase and it all leads to a very real instant death that you have a very slight chance of avoiding, if anyone thinks that kind of rng makes a fight "working as intended" they have a very sick sense of humor.

Hi Im playing on JP server and I found that twintania is still bugged.
I've already posted about it to JP forum.(I also wrote about behavior of twister.)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107126

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

That's the problem and if you've seen the video posted a page back you'd see just what it is. At this point if something has not been tried yet then there are some bad progression groups out there that don't care about world first. Everything has been tried on the twister phase and it all leads to a very real instant death that you have a very slight chance of avoiding, if anyone thinks that kind of rng makes a fight "working as intended" they have a very sick sense of humor.

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My sense of humor is pretty awful, I'd likely create a boss like this on purpose

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Originally Posted by Aix

Hi Im playing on JP server and I found that twintania is still bugged.
I've already posted about it to JP forum.(I also wrote about behavior of twister.)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107126

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Thank you for that and I am sure(like 100%) yours will get a real dev response and not a copy paste response like ours did while devs laughed at our silly English post.

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Originally Posted by Aix

Hi Im playing on JP server and I found that twintania is still bugged.
I've already posted about it to JP forum.(I also wrote about behavior of twister.)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107126

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Really appreciate this!

Finally we might get some answers.

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Originally Posted by SonyaArin

To clear this up for everyone not yet experiencing this, I think it's about time to really start escalating this harder. It's not 'impossible' but it's nearly impossible thanks to an insta-kill mechanic that is laggy and extremely inconsistent.

A lot of guilds have been quiet on details due to shooting for world first, but at this point, we're all experiencing the same thing, admitting or not.

Video demonstrating the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo3AewOwog

Link to the bug thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mechanic/page2

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Whats the move that Twintania is casting after the twister? Could it be the Twister is taking the locking position of the new cast?

Also, is twister instant kill or just a lot of damage that can be mitigated with abilities/resistance? Maybe people can put on vit gear to just survive it? *shrug

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

I wonder if it's actually a bug or there's just some gimmick no one figured out yet

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo3AewOwog

No way to dodge that at all.

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Originally Posted by wlakiz

Whats the move that Twintania is casting after the twister? Could it be the Twister is taking the locking position of the new cast?

Also, is twister instant kill or just a lot of damage that can be mitigated with abilities/resistance? Maybe people can put on vit gear to just survive it? *shrug

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That is Death Sentence being cast. It is an ability that hits the tank for a large amount of damage and leaves a healing debuff. It is present from the beginning of the fight.

Getting hit like in the video does not report any damage in our combat logs or combat text. We just die.

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Originally Posted by Eronn

That is Death Sentence being cast. It is an ability that hits the tank for a large amount of damage and leaves a healing debuff. It is present from the beginning of the fight.

Getting hit like in the video does not report any damage in our damage logs or combat text. We just die.

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The fact that there is no damage makes me think in my head that the mechanic is intended..

The easiest way to tell if this is something bugged or intended would just to get a bunch of videos displaying Twister and seeing the placement of each AoE. In that way we'd be able to see if there's any pattern or indicator of where each AoE appears. Hell, for all we know the Twister locations could be determined at the very outset of the fight or at a certain time, like "2 minutes into the fight x# of player positions are marked and that's where Twister will appear." It could be something as obscure as that.

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Originally Posted by Aix

Hi Im playing on JP server and I found that twintania is still bugged.
I've already posted about it to JP forum.(I also wrote about behavior of twister.)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107126

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Thank You! Perhaps they will take it serious from the JP forums :/

The secret is in Turn 3 guys!

Joking aside, as I haven't actually set foot in Coil yet I can only but speculate. So far every fight outside of Coil has had predictable move patterns based on HP percentages and other factors. Is Twister so random in nature that it cannot be anticipated when it's going to happen, based on an HP percentage or move rotation from the boss? If it can be you can at least preemptively try to move out of it. But it's just one of those things, you have to KNOW exactly when it's coming.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

If it can be you can at least preemptively try to move out of it. But it's just one of those things, you have to KNOW exactly when it's coming.

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Holy...you figured it out...we just need to dodge EVEN HARDER AND BETTER. *sarcasm*

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Originally Posted by Eronn

That is Death Sentence being cast. It is an ability that hits the tank for a large amount of damage and leaves a healing debuff. It is present from the beginning of the fight.

Getting hit like in the video does not report any damage in our combat logs or combat text. We just die.

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Interesting.. Non-blockable instant kill move.. Does the mt ever get hit? Other possibility could be him casting on people behind him.. Or too far from him.

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Originally Posted by wlakiz

Interesting.. Non-blockable instant kill move.. Does the mt ever get hit? Other possibility could be him casting on people behind him.. Or too far from him.

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Believe me any strat that is within the bounds of the game you or anyone else could think of has been tried at this point. If for any reason there is a strat that has not been tried by any of the groups that think of themselves as world first, then they are absolutely terrible and do not deserve to even think of the title of world first. You want to be the best you need to show it and that means trying everything possible to down something even if it means giving something hundreds of attempts many of which are trying to same strat to see if there could be anything more to it.