New NMs

its not about the last post, its about the whole thread.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

FF = hard? RPG = hard?

Hardcore-gamer isnt me calling something hard.

I do see this arguement brought up quite often though, name something/anything that is hard.

(My responce ahead of time is "Its not hard, its time consumeing".) This answer is fairly easy to say about anything aslong as theres a guide out.

With your logic nothing in the world is hard and i can easily repeat it just like everyone elce.

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It's really not about being hard....its about being rare.

That's what my aim is set on.

This reach 57 page in no time o.o

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Originally Posted by Scarface

It's really not about being hard....its about being rare.

That's what my aim is set on.

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It really isn't up to you to determine how rare a piece of gear is for players. Its up to the Developer. Yes there should be some gear thats rare. But the low level generic stuff. (Because lets face it this game was designed to push to 99 as soon as possible in levels) This stuff should be easy peasie to get.

There are other ways to introduce rare items, many ideas have been named.

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Originally Posted by Randis

There are other ways to introduce rare items, many ideas have been named.

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And I never said there wasn't, but you can't just have everything be HNMs, or instanced.

You have to cater to both, and/or implement other stuff with it

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You have to cater to both, and/or implement other stuff with it

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This is where it's at.

You can never cater to both casual and hard-core gamers for casuals will always cry about not having what endgamers have.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

You can never cater to both casual and hard-core gamers for casuals will always cry about not having what endgamers have.

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Of course, and they will have to live with it if they cannot put in the time. It is the way it should be :o

Not cater to both casual and hardcore.

Cater to those wanting HNMs and those wanting instanced.

Holla back shawty!

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Originally Posted by Moth

Of course, and they will have to live with it if they cannot put in the time. It is the way it should be :o

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See again, thats the point.
This whole thread is about 24h nm, you guys try to stamp everyone who is against the 24 rate as a casual gamer.
I am not a casual gamer but i DO NOT want 24h NM for reasons stated earlier.
Not being able to camp a NM that pops only once a day is simply technically not possible for many people and has nothing to do with dedication.

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Originally Posted by Randis

See again, thats the point.
This whole thread is about 24h nm, you guys try to stamp everyone who is against the 24 rate as a casual gamer.
I am not a casual gamer but i DO NOT want 24h NM for reasons stated earlier.
Not being able to camp a NM that pops only once a day is simply technically not possible for many people and has nothing to do with dedication.

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It will be possible at times, like seriously. This game needs free world HNMs with 24hr repops. Gimme gimme.

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Originally Posted by Randis

Not being able to camp a NM that pops only once a day is simply technically not possible for many people and has nothing to do with dedication.

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It takes too much dedication to stand there for 3 hours and try to claim?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

It will be possible at times, like seriously. This game needs free world HNMs with 24hr repops. Gimme gimme.

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This world needs many things but surely no 24 h pop and given that you are in such a minority it will not happen any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Randis

This world needs many things but surely no 24 h pop and given that you are in such a minority it will not happen any time soon.

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You wanna get yo ass kicked? >:[

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Originally Posted by Randis

This world needs many things but surely no 24 h pop and given that you are in such a minority it will not happen any time soon.

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I'll post screenshots of us killing it on Thursday. Let me know when you wanna take notes we have classes on Wednesday and Friday.

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Originally Posted by Randis

This world needs many things but surely no 24 h pop and given that you are in such a minority it will not happen any time soon.

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I think you're the minority here because you don't even play the game dude!

Just make all NM and HNM pop item :) you buy it from a NPC for 1gil that would make everyone happy oh and if you get the HQ version item you have a 100% drop rate and only cost 2gil

All joking a side add nm 24hours and BCNM or something to get the same item. this is what FFXI did remember? Black belt? and many other NM you could get the item easy from BCNM,.

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Originally Posted by Visch

It takes too much dedication to stand there for 3 hours and try to claim?

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Not at all, unless i have to set alarm to get up and unless there are those who exploit it using bots.
People live in different time zones.

If i really need something, i could also make a all nighter but do i want to? nope
I see such things a s a bad design, its outdated, periode.
There are many fun and challenging ways to introduce rare items than standing around for 3 hours.

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Originally Posted by Randis

Not at all, unless i have to set alarm to get up and unless there are those who exploit it using bots.
People live in different time zones.

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K then don't camp when it's not in your time zone? No one has a gun to your head.

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Originally Posted by Visch

K then don't camp when it's not in your time zone? No one has a gun to your head.

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Seriously...

(●´― ｀●) did we win?

Why do you have to camp what we camp, im really asking, just because something is there doesnt mean you have to try, just stay with the casual game content, still no one is saying HNM's should be the only way to get the best gear in the game, but it should be a way to get some of it just like in 11.

Gear from sky/sea/nyzul/ein/dyna/salvage/znm's/scnm's til abyssea in the very end had some of the best gear in the game for there specific jobs/slots.

Please explain why 21-24hr HNM's in the game means you get 0 gear? you just wont get those absolute best for very specific slots on certain jobs, boohoo. do the rest of the events and cry less.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Why do you have to camp what we camp, im really asking, just because something is there doesnt mean you have to try, just stay with the casual game content, still no one is saying HNM's should be the only way to get the best gear in the game, but it should be a way to get some of it just like in 11.

Gear from sky/sea/nyzul/ein/dyna/salvage/znm's/scnm's til abyssea in the very end had some of the best gear in the game for there specific jobs/slots.

Please explain why 21-24hr HNM's in the game means you get 0 gear? you just wont get those absolute best for very specific slots on certain jobs, boohoo. do the rest of the events and cry less.

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Quoted for truth.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Why do you have to camp what we camp,

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You are not camping anything and you will not get 24 h nm, stop whining.

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Originally Posted by Randis

You are not camping anything and you will not get 24 h nm, stop whining.

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it be funny when this game get fix and they add 24hours NQ/HQ HNM lol.

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Originally Posted by Randis

You are not camping anything and you will not get 24 h nm, stop whining.

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Really? None of us can make that judgment call. I guess well see on Thursday.

Its 21-24 not 24, and "no u".

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

it be funny when this game get fix and they add 24hours NQ/HQ HNM lol.

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He probably won't know because he doesn't even play. You play more than him :P

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Originally Posted by Randis

You are not camping anything and you will not get 24 h nm, stop whining.

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All my bitches luvin' you aint messin wit my dougie.

lol this turned into a insult fest and epeen contest i was kinda having a nice convo before D=.
Anyways the movie was ok ^^.
on topic , like i said before , HNM mechanics would go completely into the other direction from recent updates so is very unlikely to happen , whatever some want it or not.
So like, lets get over it and move on . people play differently is okay to like to camp NMs (personally i never liked it even when i did it to much) and so is ok to not want to do it.
g´night!

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Why do you have to camp what we camp, im really asking, just because something is there doesnt mean you have to try, just stay with the casual game content, still no one is saying HNM's should be the only way to get the best gear in the game, but it should be a way to get some of it just like in 11.

Gear from sky/sea/nyzul/ein/dyna/salvage/znm's/scnm's til abyssea in the very end had some of the best gear in the game for there specific jobs/slots.

Please explain why 21-24hr HNM's in the game means you get 0 gear? you just wont get those absolute best for very specific slots on certain jobs, boohoo. do the rest of the events and cry less.

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FO REAL
This game has enough of trying to make the casuals = to the hardcore already.

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Originally Posted by Visch

He probably won't know because he doesn't even play. You play more than him :P

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I used to play 10+hours i delete my char and reset for a new start now just waiting for the new system fix like battle and class :)

Heres an idea me and my ls just had for HNM's.

Make all non-HNM gear just be smooth and kinda meh but the exact same stats as HNM gear.

While HNM gear has cool looking spikes and stuff.

Ill be wearing spikes, you will look boring, problem solved, you have the best gear in game but you still fail, the world is well.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

FO REAL
This game has enough of trying to make the casuals = to the hardcore already.

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This sums up FFXIV NMs

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/4/4c/Spook.JPG

Don't you guys know they could easy just make HNM be 24-3days pop and allow you get the same item by doing BCNM type system? but no you guys are to in a hurry to bitch about 24+hours nm pop to even think about that.

FFXI did it that how i got one of my black belt item the rest was HNM -.- and i told myself i wont ever do HNM again to much work but i still want to see them in the game.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

FO REAL
This game has enough of trying to make the casuals = to the hardcore already.

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Seriously dude...think about it. The "NM"s we have are the equivalent to Spook from FFXI... 15min repop, and easy as tea bagging a blind person.

There are plenty of ways to add rare great pieces of armor without having people waste 24hrs of life and fight against bots just to get. Full parties will get the best gear from dungeons and fighting NMs. Light parties will will get the good but not great pieces.

This game will not get 24hr HNMs just appeal to a small base that have a lot of time on their hands. Games can become challenging and harder without setting major time sinks.

I'm hoping battle positions play a bigger part in tactics.

hardcore =/= casual and it will always be that way. However, wanting major time sinks doesn't even make you hardcore. You're just someone that has major time on his/her hands.

@ Zenaku

Thats been stated but from the HNM people, ff11 had ein for HNM gear for the most part, casuals will never be happy.

Were not asking for HNM's right now, 75+ will do.