About the World Merge and Character Transfers (02/09/2012)

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Originally Posted by Saiph

How about this? SE recommend new servers for the old ones so if you want to keep all your firend ls and all you just join the recomended server while anyone who wnats to change for whatever reason joins another one?

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server 1 = Selbina
server 2 = Gysahl
server 3 = cornelia + wutai
server 4 = figaro + bodhum
server 5 = mysidia + karnak
server 6 = kashuan + palamecia
server 7 = trabia + melmond
server 8 = fabul + istory
server 9 = besaid + saronia
server 10 = Lindblum + rabanastre (recomended for europe)

wouldnt that be a almost perfect solution? almost like solution 2 from yoshi but still without revealing the severnames so everyone rushes for favorite servers?

SE just need to make an official lodestone post for it.

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this ends up about the same as option 2, there is still the random forced move problem though

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Originally Posted by Saiph

how do you know they are on lindblum?

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Because they said that's where they planned to go to. I played FFXI with them for years and know that when they said something you could believe it.

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Originally Posted by Saiph

How about this? SE recommend new servers for the old ones so if you want to keep all your firend ls and all you just join the recomended server while anyone who wnats to change for whatever reason joins another one?

EXAMPLE

server 1 = Selbina
server 2 = Gysahl
server 3 = cornelia + wutai
server 4 = figaro + bodhum
server 5 = mysidia + karnak
server 6 = kashuan + palamecia
server 7 = trabia + melmond
server 8 = fabul + istory
server 9 = besaid + saronia
server 10 = Lindblum + rabanastre (recomended for europe)

wouldnt that be a almost perfect solution? almost like solution 2 from yoshi but still without revealing the severnames so everyone rushes for favorite servers?

SE just need to make an official lodestone post for it.

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I am hoping that you are using the worlds as examples. I do not believe you have anymore insight to server populations then I do. Secondly, why should my server be designated the EU server? Why not a different server, such as.......Cornella?

I love how this new dev team actually pays attention to the community response. I have a feeling they annouced the merge so far in advance for this very reasons. Maybe SE is getting their PR act together?

So this is option 2:

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②A + B - X ⇒A World to merge with B World, except people that would like to move are able to choose a different World

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So people cried about something becoming unbalanced..yet they're praising that things will now be unbalanced? lol. You do know if they merge a small world with an already decent sized world people still can get separated, much more likely than just allowing people to change freely like you know, they went with option 4 for that reason? Since you know, if a server already sits at 1k and they wanted to boost that number to say 3k per world, people still will be separated because they'd have to account in the people who will resub by march 1st.

So in the end, nothing really changes.

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Originally Posted by Arksniper

I love how this new dev team actually pays attention to the community response. I have a feeling they annouced the merge so far in advance for this very reasons. Maybe SE is getting their PR act together?

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they listen but mostly only to the jp population

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

they listen but mostly only to the jp population

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Much like American companies only listen to their population...your point?

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I am hoping that you are using the worlds as examples. I do not believe you have anymore insight to server populations then I do. Secondly, why should my server be designated the EU server? Why not a different server, such as.......Cornella?

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yes i think that's why he put EXAMPLE in caps right above it

They may cater to the JP side more than the NA side but that is their main base. At least they consider player feedback. We can win a few small battle but never a war....

Hurrah for option 2

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I am hoping that you are using the worlds as examples. I do not believe you have anymore insight to server populations then I do. Secondly, why should my server be designated the EU server? Why not a different server, such as.......Cornella?

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Isn't lindblum the unofficial EU server? I know it is the unofficial german server because most germans are on Lindblum

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Originally Posted by Felis

Isn't lindblum the unofficial EU server? I know it is the unofficial german server because most germans are on Lindblum

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Rabnasty isn't. I'll be damned if whenever I want to play with old Phoenix mates that things suddenly start running on European standard >.>

Well that's good news!
Yoshi is looking into doing a NORMAL MERGE (2 servers into one) with player option to move elsewhere.

Hurrrrray!

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Originally Posted by Arksniper

They may cater to the JP side more than the NA side but that is their main base. At least they consider player feedback. We can win a few small battle but never a war....

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This right here has been Square Enix's downfall since the game was launched, you think the majority of JP gamers care about reused areas? Or grinding? Hell they love that stuff. What SE fails to realize is that they shunned the NA gamer with this game the biggest gaming market in the world behind EU and now look what happens. Who knows how many posts we don't read from YOSHI on JP sites??????? I really don't care where I am put in these server merges I just recently resubbed so that I can support the game. I got a feeling SE is hoping that the PS3 revamps the NA market in FFXIV because the PC version is tanking in that remark.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

From my translation thread copy/paste http://goo.gl/PRXN4

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This one is pretty important announcement/update from YoshiP regarding server merge so going to translate this one before I start work for you guys, pretty sure Bay & Rikku will post translated one for sure.



Regarding server merge - have it where they give us info on how many people are planned on going into each server.



There is some user posts after also asking for devs to make it so they can also display how many players are in the servers from each region as well - no response on this one yet though.

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Fantastic news!
Thank you Yoshi for listening. I know a lot of developers would have just went along as planned, but I'm really impressed that you've taken our comments to heart.
+20 respect.

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Originally Posted by Silvyaniss

This right here has been Square Enix's downfall since the game was launched, you think the majority of JP gamers care about reused areas? Or grinding? Hell they love that stuff. What SE fails to realize is that they shunned the NA gamer with this game the biggest gaming market in the world behind EU and now look what happens. Who knows how many posts we don't read from YOSHI on JP sites??????? I really don't care where I am put in these server merges I just recently resubbed so that I can support the game. I got a feeling SE is hoping that the PS3 revamps the NA market in FFXIV because the PC version is tanking in that remark.

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Oh please if listening to their home base is their downfall, I guess the reason games by american and european studios are all essentially the same now is the downfall of listening to their base, yes?

Thank you Reinheart!!

I am very pleased that Square Enix has made this announcement. It actually renews my faith in humanity that the voice of the people can actually make a difference. Evn though this is just about an MMO people do care.

To all of those who said people were 'bitching' or 'whining', I have one thing to say:


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We are currently looking into making it possible to go by plan #2 which received many feadbacks and keep the merit from plan number 4.


I'm optimistic but until it's official, we're still on plan 4

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Originally Posted by neorei

We are currently looking into making it possible to go by plan #2 which received many feadbacks and keep the merit from plan number 4.


I'm optimistic but until it's official, we're still on plan 4

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Heck, I' just be happy with a recomended server list. That wouldn't require any revised server structure or anything like that.

True neorei, so ppl keep voting your opinion on the poll

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Originally Posted by Leela

True neorei, so ppl keep voting your opinion on the poll

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i did and i picked #2 lol

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

thank you god.

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I don't think our noodly lord had any thing to do with this.

May his tendrils always be moist.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Much like American companies only listen to their population...your point?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0

does padding your post count make you feel better about yourself?

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Originally Posted by Griss

I don't think our noodly lord had any thing to do with this.

May his tendrils always be moist.

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The space pope isn't going to like this...

To the people saying they only listen to the JP population, most of us here in the English forum were asking for #2 long before Yoshida even made the post outlining the different options.

Merge->Transfers is obviously the best choice to give everyone what they want. Said it a dozen times.

Glad that the dev team actually listened to the outrage the change caused, and even went as far as apologizing for not seeing how much of a problem it would be. I guess there was no point in acting like a sycophant.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Heck, I' just be happy with a recomended server list. That wouldn't require any revised server structure or anything like that.

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This is what I was thinking. Let every still have a choice when they log in on the 1st but post a message when they log in to check lodestone for recommended servers. Who plays this game and doesn't check lodestone even if they don't on go on these crazy forums

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Originally Posted by Griss

I don't think our noodly lord had any thing to do with this.

May his tendrils always be moist.

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0

does padding your post count make you feel better about yourself?

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Said the one that posted:

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

they listen but mostly only to the jp population

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What was the point of this? All companies listen to their home base a lot more than their international branches. You don't see American based companies going out of their way to listen to their chinese, korean, singapore or european branches.

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

does padding your post count make you feel better about yourself?

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Yes.

Oh, wait.
Who are you asking?

This reinforces my belief that they might want to delay the merge until April. It will give them time determine how many returning people plan to stay because of Ver 1.21. This could change server demographics and needs to be evaluated. Anyone not here after 04/01/2012 probably will not return til Ver 2.0 9 months away. Secondly it gives them time to compile and evaluate all the feedback including those of returning players and incorporate this into their decision making process.

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

this ends up about the same as option 2, there is still the random forced move problem though

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almost. the only real diffrence will be SE still doesnt need to reveal the server names so people wont hunt after best server name. Non active players could be moved to recomended servers too.
It would be the best form between option 2 and 4 in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

This reinforces my belief that they might want to delay the merge until April. It will give them time determine how many returning people plan to stay because of Ver 1.21. This could change server demographics and needs to be evaluated. Anyone not here after 04/01/2012 probably will not return til Ver 2.0 9 months away. Secondly it gives them time to compile and evaluate all the feedback including those of returning players and incorporate this into their decision making process.

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I agree with this, I know some people on small servers are anxious but we are only going to get one chance before 2.0 probably. I'd rather they got distribution right.

If they do delay the merge no one can complain about it since it was delayed due to their complaining in the first place. We know it is very likely people will resub for 1.21 since every patch tends to bring people back/outta inactivity, but it's also apparent they do have a system in place ready for the "new way" or "missed out" people so I don't think it would be delayed for a recount.

When they calculate server numbers it's more than likely through the main software which doesn't gain/lose numbers due to inactivity (look at how they calculate WoW's numbers), it's only new subs that may add some in but even then they proven with XI's census they keep very detailed data and won't have to recalculate much if they're aiming for around 2-4k people per server.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

If they do delay the merge no one can complain about it since it was delayed due to their complaining in the first place. We know it is very likely people will resub for 1.21 since every patch tends to bring people back/outta inactivity, but it's also apparent they do have a system in place ready for the "new way" or "missed out" people so I don't think it would be delayed for a recount.

When they calculate server numbers it's more than likely through the main software which doesn't gain/lose numbers due to inactivity (look at how they calculate WoW's numbers), it's only new subs that may add some in but even then they proven with XI's census they keep very detailed data and won't have to recalculate much if they're aiming for around 2-4k people per server.

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"March 1 (Thursday) to March 19 (Monday), 2012: Character transfer selection period. *
March 27 (Tuesday), 2012: World merge maintenance to be carried out."

Do you feel so strongly about people complaining that you compain about their potential complaints before they have even complained about it?

By the way, your post makes very little sense. Nice run-on sentences.

Good for you Zoltan.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

If they do delay the merge no one can complain about it since it was delayed due to their complaining in the first place. We know it is very likely people will resub for 1.21 since every patch tends to bring people back/outta inactivity, but it's also apparent they do have a system in place ready for the "new way" or "missed out" people so I don't think it would be delayed for a recount.

When they calculate server numbers it's more than likely through the main software which doesn't gain/lose numbers due to inactivity (look at how they calculate WoW's numbers), it's only new subs that may add some in but even then they proven with XI's census they keep very detailed data and won't have to recalculate much if they're aiming for around 2-4k people per server.

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You are, of course, correct in everthing you said. But as you know full well players will come back and test out a new patch. A certain number will stay beyond that 1 month period. Many more have unsubbed again waiting til the next patch. As it appears that this is the defining patch for the current version of the game many more might be staying. You will not have a good handle on those numbers til the 1st of April. Wouldn't it be prudent to wait for those numbers before making a final desision?

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Originally Posted by Vaen

Did you miss the point of my original post? I was telling people not to call others names. I wasn't insulting anyone specifically, I was just telling people not to be insulting.

I was just telling people to chill out because I'd like to see a bit more rationality and less pointless bickering in this server merge debate, and I tried to do it with a little humor, but I see in your "special" case this attempt backfired.

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Originally Posted by Vaen

Thanks for the support.

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It appeared that your initial post was taking a direct shot at mine, which garnered a lot more "support". So I was merely responding to you... and defending my post like every other person is defending their own since the subject is such a big a deal.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

This reinforces my belief that they might want to delay the merge until April. It will give them time determine how many returning people plan to stay because of Ver 1.21. This could change server demographics and needs to be evaluated. Anyone not here after 04/01/2012 probably will not return til Ver 2.0 9 months away. Secondly it gives them time to compile and evaluate all the feedback including those of returning players and incorporate this into their decision making process.

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This is an excellent point. Mr. Yoshida had mentioned releasing the current merge plan to allow time to go over feedback. When the time comes around, given their current ideology and the insite from the community, they may have a thorough plan that should make the most amount of people happy. Also, giving it enough time to monitor the playerbase post 1.21 is an equally organized idea. These things should allow for a smooth, widely accepted merge.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

You are, of course, correct in everthing you said. But as you know full well players will come back and test out a new patch. A certain number will stay beyond that 1 month period. Many more have unsubbed again waiting til the next patch. As it appears that this is the defining patch for the current version of the game many more might be staying. You will not have a good handle on those numbers til the 1st of April. Wouldn't it be prudent to wait for those numbers before making a final desision?

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Most likely, but it really depends on what they set the server caps in general since realistically even though it may bring back some numbers, honestly speaking it likely won't be such a huge influx it can greatly skew things.

Over 200 people voiced their opinion, all though they are considering option 2, please keep voting on the poll