[Data Center USA] Ping increased. Report your changes here.

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Originally Posted by faeyte

I can't believe the amount of EU players whining about their latency and threatening to quit.

When the EU data servers were moved/created, you chose to stay on the NA servers for whatever reasons you did.

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Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread so I checked the old announcement. There was free move -away- from Chaos, but not for moving into it. So if people had done their characters to any other datacenter while they resided in the same place, they would have had to pay for the move anyway.

Comparing

neolobby02.ffxiv.com - 204.2.229.9

to

Aether: 199.91.189.74

Looks like I went from 43ms to 96ms :/

Although the trace completed significantly faster when testing the CA ip.

110ms -> 36ms
bless u cali

Okay, now that the servers are live, I've confirmed Balmung's IP to be 204.2.229.82 and here's my results from a ping and tracert which appears to confirm Sacramento:

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C:\Users\#####>ping 204.2.229.82

Pinging 204.2.229.82 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 204.2.229.82: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=53
Reply from 204.2.229.82: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=53
Reply from 204.2.229.82: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=53
Reply from 204.2.229.82: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=53

Ping statistics for 204.2.229.82:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 39ms, Maximum = 49ms, Average = 45ms

C:\Users\#####>tracert 204.2.229.82

Tracing route to 204.2.229.82 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1    3 ms    10 ms    8 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    19 ms    14 ms    19 ms  24.86.64.1
  3    16 ms    29 ms    63 ms  rd3st-tge0-4-0-1-1.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.147.205]
  4  104 ms    19 ms    24 ms  rc2wt-be50-1.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.70.106]
  5    23 ms    26 ms    29 ms  xe-0-5-0-17.r04.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.197.17]
  6    19 ms    26 ms    20 ms  ae-5.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.7]
  7    46 ms    *      40 ms  ae-3.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.124]
  8    46 ms    41 ms    48 ms  ae-45.r01.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.175]
  9    47 ms    38 ms    44 ms  ae-1.r00.scrmca02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.31]
 10    48 ms    40 ms    47 ms  xe-0-1-0-1-1.r00.scrmca02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.195.46]
 11    43 ms  171 ms  129 ms  204.2.229.234
 12    50 ms    49 ms    49 ms  204.2.229.82

Trace complete.

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So, I went from ~90 ping from Montreal to ~45 ping from Sacramento.

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Originally Posted by EdgeFayth

From Van too, what is your ISP?

I still have packet losses with Telus, feelsbad :(

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I'm with Shaw.

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Originally Posted by thorkellthetall

Looks like SE managed to make the worst possible decision and the servers are indeed in CA. Good job guys.

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Your fall is my gain? I went from 190+ to under 40. Kinda like it.

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Originally Posted by faeyte

I can't believe the amount of EU players whining about their latency and threatening to quit. Stop being entitled whiners.

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Pff haha what am I reading? Entitled?
The game is a product. If it no longer satisfies people, they are well within their rights to complain or to refuse to pay for the product any further, or purchase any expansions.
We chose to stay on NA and play with people we know because it was working fine, and now it might no longer be the case. How does that make us at all entitled to expect good service from a product we pay for?

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Originally Posted by faeyte

I can't believe the amount of EU players whining about their latency and threatening to quit.

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SE doesn't owe you free playtime or transfers because you chose to ignore going over to your region. They made your servers local so you didn't have to connect to Montreal, and you made your choice. SE did not intentionally do this just to wrong you. Stop being entitled whiners.

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And what do you suggest to SA players, O wise one?

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

Pff haha what am I reading? Entitled?
The game is a product. If it no longer satisfies people, they are well within their rights to complain or to refuse to pay for the product any further, or purchase any expansions.
We chose to stay on NA and play with people we know because it was working fine, and now it might no longer be the case. How does that make us at all entitled to expect good service from a product we pay for?

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This. Just because some may be open to the idea of leaving their friends behind (if they had any at all) does not necessarily mean others are willing to throw their friendships away to transfer off.

And just saying it one more time. People who got a better connection now are people who went from 90 to 70 or from 90 to 40. This will not make any difference on your game, srsly. Anything under 100 is basically the same shit. But I can assure you that people that went from 150 to 250+ are totally screwed up. And if you guys think its funny, dont forget that everyone uses DF too. So enjoy lots of dps eating 100% more AoE.

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Originally Posted by SeraphicRadiance

This. Just because some may be open to the idea of leaving their friends behind (if they had any at all) does not necessarily mean others are willing to throw their friendships away to transfer off.

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Then increased ping is the price you pay for making that decision. Because you're playing on a data center that's not meant for your location.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Your fall is my gain? I went from 90+ to under 40. Kinda like it.

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Nerd, you still have to play with everyone else. Your party member's performance suffers as well. The entire NA region did not also move to CA.

I logged on.

Looks like I'm connected to 204.2.229.92.

I get a 33ms average ping to this IP from Los Angeles.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Then increased ping is the price you pay for making that decision. Because you're playing on a data center that's not meant for your location.

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A decision made at the time due to the fact that the connection was fine, as the person I quoted apparently did.

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Originally Posted by Sagittarii

I logged on.

Looks like I'm connected to 204.2.229.92.

I get a 33ms average ping to this IP from Los Angeles.

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My FC buddy lives 30m from Sacramento and just told me they get a 14 ping. I'M SO JEALOUS!

I'm getting 170-180 from what used to be 200+. Western Pacific region.

I like it.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

And yet, they are getting another free transfer with extra bonus exp up to level 60, and gil and free time supposedly... It's on the lodestone right now. Quoted text below.

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That's very nice. While I feel bad for those who may need to transfer I do recognize that now that SE has EU servers that they shouldn't base their /NA/ server designs on EU player perspective (as there is an entire server cluster for that already), it's nice that they're going at it on more time for those players though.

I'm on the East Coast (NYC)... was at a 20ish ms ping before the change, now at a 78ms ping. First thing I did upon logging in was queue up for Titan Ex with my buddies. There is a noticeable latency increase, but not enough for the game to be unplayable. In the grand scheme of things, 78ms isn't *that* bad. However, I've been 'spoiled' in that I always knew I had a *lot* of time to get out of AoEs due to my low latency. I knew exactly how greedy I could be without needing to move immediately. Now, with the higher latency, I'm going to have to retrain my brain to know how much time I have to cast or get out. I played around with the latency on landslide -- first, moving immediately, then slowly extending my time in it to the point where I knew I'd previously be able to get out (after finishing a cast). I got hit the final time. So, many of us will need to retrain our brains -- but it's definitely not unplayable, at least on my end. I think now is the best time they could have done this... it will give those of us with noticeable ping changes some time to adjust our brains and muscle memory before facing any serious content in Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

That's very nice. While I feel bad for those who may need to transfer I do recognize that now that SE has EU servers that they shouldn't base their /NA/ server designs on EU player perspective (as there is an entire server cluster for that already), it's nice that they're going at it on more time for those players.

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I actually think its great they are getting another set of worlds. They sound like they need it! Especially considering JP and NA already have 2-3 data centers each and EU only has 1... thats alot of folks for just one data center...

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

also neolobby2.ffxiv.com is listed as 92.242.140.21

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The DNS provider you're using has one of those "mistyped domain name" "help" features. The lobby hostname is neolobby02.ffxiv.com, but you omitted the 0 so it fell back to the provider's IP.

We all should just transfer for free and then go and complain about the bad ping we're getting from the US to Europe. Lets see the responses we are getting from the europeans. How much you wanna bet, that it will be something like "You shouldn't be here in first place". Also how much you wanna bet, that these people that claim to have so many friends on the NA servers and can't transfer without losing all that, are the first ones filling out that free transfer ticket? Oh Irony....

AUS player here, since closed Beta, did Coil on my PS3 220+ Ping, never once complained. The game is not unplayable at that ping, you just need to re-learn your timings and adapt. I'm personally so glad for this move because now my ping went from 220 > 170, which I guess by many US players is...unplayable? I digress, many of them could have 1 ping and still not be efficient at the game, go figure.

It's not the end of the world, playing with 180 ping. But... I do hope they can somewhat smooth it out for my fellow Europeans and myself.

And no, before people ask. I won't leave NA server. All my friends are there. All the roleplayers are there (the reason why I play this game). So going to Europe servers it not an option.

http://imgur.com/a/C6jtP

It's not speculation anymore, I'm simply done. Can't play even if I want to.

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Originally Posted by SeraphicRadiance

A decision made at the time due to the fact that the connection was fine, as the person I quoted apparently did.

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Why would you expect it to always stay fine? The server is meant for people closer to NA and it failed for them. At least people who live in the EU still have an option to move. If it's screwed for people with only NA servers as an option they have to either suck it up or log off.

Servers up, my ping is 349 ms.

If you are a EU player and plays on a NA server. How did your ping change? What are the numbers?

Why would the servers be moved to California and not a central US location to benefit everyone? The fact that the new data center location is WORSE for me in my own region than playing in a different region is honestly pretty stupid and a decision clearly made without any real thought.

For reference on a data center relocation done right, look at Riot's League of Legends server move. It might have given the West Coast slightly higher ping, but it benefited EVERYONE in the US. XIV's relocation screws everyone in the North US and East Coast.

I'm going to sound selfish here, but I don't care about complaints from EU players. They CHOSE to play outside of their region even though they have their own data center. NA data center should be about what is convenient for NA players, not EU players. You have your own data center for a reason.

I am a NA player who chose to play within my region. I am now being screwed for doing so. Now, playing on the NA region data center my ping is worse in MY OWN REGION than elsewhere.

Why?

According to this post on Lodestone: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2360440abe9651

With the release of Stormblood, there will be new worlds on the EU data center that will open up and transfer will be free. Does this apply to the entire North and East Coast of the US you just collectively screwed with the data center relocation? It's sad when I get a better connection to a different region than my own.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

How much you wanna bet, that it will be something like "You shouldn\\'t be here in first place". Also how much you wanna bet, that these people that claim to have so many friends on the NA servers and can\\'t transfer without losing all that, are the first ones filling out that free transfer ticket? Oh Irony....

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I find it funny that People still cant See the Problem. We Where on US Servers Since 1.0. because surprise there Where no EU Servers. When they Released EU Servers At the Start of heavensward we already had our houses. When they implement a Feature Where You can take your house with You ok. But with this Housing System It Seems the only way for Them is to Fefund the House and on the New World all houses are taken. So Yeah.........
Totally comaprable with People Moving to an EU Server by Purpous and Complain and People beeing Stuck on a US World.

friend of mine is well over 1000 ping now.. they wont be able to play on our server anymore...

Why are you so angry at EU players on NA servers feeling disappointed that they are being faced with giving up the game altogether, or giving up friendships they have had for years? It's not a "sense of entitlement", it's sadness at being given two unwelcome choices.

I've played FF games for nearly 14 years now, first on XI and subsequently on 14, with the same groups of friends I got to know all those years ago. Of course I'm going to be sad.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

Lets see the responses we are getting from the europeans. How much you wanna bet, that it will be something like "You shouldn\\'t be here in first place". Also how much you wanna bet, that these people that claim to have so many friends on the NA servers and can\\'t transfer without losing all that, are the first ones filling out that free transfer ticket? Oh Irony....

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I find it funny that People still cant See the Problem. We Where on US Servers Since 1.0. because surprise there Where no EU Servers. When they Released EU Servers At the Start of heavensward we already had our houses. When they implement a Feature Where You can take your house with You ok. But with this Housing System It Seems the only way for Them is to Fefund the House and on the New World all houses are taken. So Yeah.........
Totally comaprable with People Moving to an EU Server by Purpous and Complain and People beeing Stuck on a US World.

We've known NA was going to get its own Data Centre for quite a while now, it was an inevitability. EU players staying on NA, is like why NA players didn't move to EU when they got their own DC, because it would impact their play style. It's an unfortunate circumstance, to be sure, but once again, if your ping is <250, you're still able to play the game effectively at a high level, I'm proof of that, as are many others. If your ping is higher than >250, then you won't be top tier but still decent, and honestly, unless you're planning on doing Savage Raiding, then this data centre move shouldn't affect the majority as badly.

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Originally Posted by Scott

I find it funny that People still cant See the Problem. We Where on US Servers Since 1.0. because surprise there Where no EU Servers. When they Released EU Servers At the Start of heavensward we already had our houses. When they implement a Feature Where You can take your house with You ok. But with this Housing System It Seems the only way for Them is to Fefund the House and on the New World all houses are taken. So Yeah.........
Totally comaprable with People Moving to an EU Server by Purpous and Complain and People beeing Stuck on a US World.

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Actually, from start of 2.0 they had the EU servers just not an EU datacentre. SE said numerous times that you would get a better ping on these servers. This was all before houses were even implemented.

So far it is stable, I am happy :)
28 ms ping when no shit (including packet loss) happens.
As a latency check, I usually do a A12S SSS with my war (it is BiS, and I go alone with no STR bonus not pots). Killed 40 s before the end of the timer, so 1990 dps, I guess it is acceptable :)

https://i.gyazo.com/fc87e1e8472dffbb...53fef41db8.png

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...me-too-slow%29

This change did nothing but make it harder to ogcd rotations for people. All this lag still exists and I quote another friend:

if you live on east coast
it's significantly worse
like it's next to impossible for me to double weave for my SMN opener
(When someone can't double weave because of 100 ms it is unplayable from an fully optimization point of view.)

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Changes to Ping* Times[INDENT]In preparation for the move, we have conducted countless preliminary simulations and on-site verifications regarding ping times. However, due to the physical distance between the old and new data centers, players accessing the NA servers will most likely experience a change in their current ping times. While those who play FINAL FANTASY XIV closer to the new data center will see their ping time fall, those who are now further away from the servers may see those times increase.

FINAL FANTASY XIV was designed to be played in an environment featuring ping times of 200 – 220 milliseconds or less. Even if players experience an increase in ping times due to the data center relocation, as long as their times remain below 200 ms, then they may rest easy, for there should be no discernable difference in gameplay.

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This is simply false, you cannot fully optimize DPS rotations on 100 ping. Furthermore, I am still getting the heal someone with Lustrate but they die lag, and use an atherflow stack. The delay from being able to use ogcd from a ocd is too high on 100 ms.

Quotes of others:
"15ms wont change the fact that Hallowed Ground takes 2 secs to activate or that murdas will still give you rabbits XD"
"But at 90 ping, the game is literally unplayable, how am I supposed to double weave my Ogcds!?"
"Benediction is simply too slow, I was hoping they would fix the on purpose delays so people can transition to the changes easier. With upgraded servers, there should be no reason why hitting bane is so delayed now and it still does not transfer bio even with the newfound lag at 100 ms"
"I shouldn't have to wait to use sidewinder after my dots"
"100 ms alone might work for most games, but it does not work for this one when you have delays to try to attempt to appear to be playable at 200 ms. Maybe it is playable at 200 ms but it is done with sub par performance."
"Why am I hitting abilities that never trigger just because I hit something else? There is too much delay. I play other games with higher delays just fine, I played ffxi in japan just fine."
"If these are better servers how come I have large queues upon log in?"
"100 ms is too high for those that want to fully optimize. It also makes PvP unplayable, I am sure people will be able melee lb me now with out even being in visual range. 100 ms would be fine if the game was properly coded"
"If you are going to change locations like this and have a large impact on a large amount of people, free transfers should be offered. This is not fair from a business standpoint. Some people are considering pulling the preoder for SB and cancel sub to to this change was not handled with care"

I hope you have big changes for SB to allow DPS to get the most out of DPS rotations out of high ping because the current state is not possible and you lowered the amount of people able to do so.

In short the game is simply worse with the move for more people then it helped.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Actually, from start of 2.0 they had the EU servers just not an EU datacentre. SE said numerous times that you would get a better ping on these servers. This was all before houses were even implemented.

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No. EU Servers Where still US Servers. Only that they Where called EU so that You could meet people in your timezone. Thats all.

Yeah, without a VPN my ping is slightly higher on NA servers now than EU, and I live in western NY. I average 127, but my average should be around 85. It's routing me to NYC first before doubling back and going to Seattle and then Sacramento. With Pingzapper I drop to 87, but it's spiking a lot, and I don't want to pay $10/month for WTFast on top of my $17 sub. :/ Hoping it'll stop traveling several hundred miles out of the way soon. I can deal with 85-90ms, but MCH feels really clunky at 130.

If 100 ms is unplayable, i guess i havent been able to play much at all since release. Oh wait, i did just fine.

If i can double weave with greased lightning 3 up on 100+ then anyone can double weave lol, and i dont even main monk.

People having the AUDACITY of tell EU players to suck it up are plain STUPID and THICK.

We were giving the chance to transfer when the EU servers went up. Some us transferred but some of us stayed DUE TO THE FACT our game latency wasn't bad at all.So we stayed

EU PLAYERS ON NA SERVERS ARENT AT FAULT IN THE SLIGHTEST. Why? Because we didn't ask for the move,we didn't complaint once our game latency.NOW that they decided to move the servers to improve stability it's a great idea BUT they should of known that this was gonna affect players NOT only from EU but from South America too.

And let's NOT forget, on EU is not just about moving freely to any given server we have a HUGE language barrier(EU is not all English (English is a fraction of it, we have french German Spanish Italian Greek Arabic etc etc)this is ANOTHER reason why some EU people (birtish)mainly decided to stick on a NA server.


So stop making IDIOTIC comments regarding that EU players being at fault cause that's a MORONIC logic