Time Mage Awareness

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Originally Posted by Andrien

true, and also new jobs like Arithmetician beats it.

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to.../cf/4724_0.jpg


In FFT, Arithmetician is unlocked after getting Time Mage. (i think) edit

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After getting all black,white, time and mystic to lv 4. Its bassically a merge of all those mages like a Sage. Look it up on ffwiki, i dont know how they would make Arithmetician work actually without giving it a whole new spell/ability list which is probbably why its under original option.

Would totally rather see Arithmetician than Time Mage. Would have the best AF and weapon. No contest.

Some comments.

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

Reflect - wont happen in a mmo unless the buff last like 2 secs
Who said a buff can't last two seconds? Completely viable spell.

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Only viable if it lasts between 10-15 seconds and wears off as soon as it reflects something. Anything longer than that would be OP. Might even tack some magic damage mitigation so that it is also useful for big spells that can't be reflected like astral flows and megaflares.

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Disable - players can do that with ws curently (wont know if possible in ARR)
Your argument is that because the effect is interwoven into a Weaponskill currently, a more direct version of the effect should not exist. The lack of logic in your arguments continues to astound me.

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You're missing the fact that as a standalone spell it would have little value if the effect can alrady be applied by weapon skills. That said, it's an "absolute" in terms of debuffs, and as such would rather not see it here.

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Vanish- useless
Because Sneak and Invisible in XI were so gosh-darn useless in XI, right? Who needs mob evasion anyway... /sarcasm.

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Sorry, but I hated sneak and invis. I hated the fact that exploration was reliant on that over everything else. Not having Vanish/Sneak/Invis and still giving people other means for exploration would be great. Not to mention that true sight/sound mobs are bullshit and were added to counter sneak/invis.

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Haste- wont be in game
Please continue with your prophetic tellings of how things will be in the future...
It brings me much amusement.

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Would it bring you even more amusement to know the devs have already said they're not going to implement Haste? At best, I could see Hasteaga being implemented, but it would definitely have to be a raid cooldown a la Heroism/Bloodlust/Timewarp.

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Stop- too OP
There is more to a spell than just the damage/status it inflicts on the target. Variables like duration/cooldown/cost/resistance and other constraints such as the spell needing to be combo'd for the effect to proc are all aspects that are taken into consideration when creating game balance.

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The ability to completely freeze a mob for the ridiculous amount of time Stop could in the console FFs is OP as all hell in the context of MMORPGs. It might fly as a 8-second crowd control ability in PvP/30 second crowd control in PvE ability, but I fear people would then cry that it doesn't feel FF enough or something.

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Break- would be to too OP or too useless
Such bold statements you make. Have you played any other FF before?

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Break is currently stuck in the threshold between lackluster and useless in FFXI, so he does have a point. If you apply the full petrify, you have an ability that is OP. If you make it short duration (1-3 seconds) it becomes more like an interrupt which would then be moderately useful in PvE and somewhat useful against other casters in PvP.

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Slow is fine (sorta) as an enfeebling ability, but don't bring back haste.

Please, for the love of God, do not bring back haste - at least not how it was implemented in FFXI, because anytime an RPG has a "Super Stat" it just destroys all semblance of balance.

I disagree that Haste is a super stat, also I just disagree in general with the entire feeling of using nerf guns and swords and tossing confetti into the air to simulate spells approach a lot of people have in this community, it just feels like a lot of you are out of your comfort area if you're not playing it safe and don't want players to amass great excuse the Final Fantasy expression but "God Slaying" powers. In nearly every Final Fantasy in the past you get to a point where you can do anything, I mean look at the crazy materia combinations you can do in 7 and such <,<;

What in fresh hell is going on here.

Go spend time with your families; It's Thanksgiving. If you're not American, go to work.

Stop having e-fights over which class had a bigger magic wand. Jesus.

People want Time Mages? Cool.

People want Red Mages? Also cool.

Will we get either of them? Nobody knows.

Stop squabbling like schoolchildren in a sandbox. If SE decides to release one, the other, or both, they'll likely reach out to the community on their own time. Making vitriolic posts and warring opinions like this would make anyone want to completely avoid the topic.

TLDR; Stop fighting, you babbys. Have a non-confrontational debate/discussion and SE might just listen, and be impressed by your maturity.

Ha ha ha, wow that was your first forum post <3 <3 <3

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Originally Posted by Endigiont

Ha ha ha, wow that was your first forum post <3 <3 <3

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I couldn't resist signing up just to tell you people that you're all acting like petulant children, it's true.

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Originally Posted by Arkana

What in fresh hell is going on here.

Go spend time with your families; It's Thanksgiving. If you're not American, go to work.

Stop having e-fights over which class had a bigger magic wand. Jesus.

People want Time Mages? Cool.

People want Red Mages? Also cool.

Will we get either of them? Nobody knows.

Stop squabbling like schoolchildren in a sandbox. If SE decides to release one, the other, or both, they'll likely reach out to the community on their own time. Making vitriolic posts and warring opinions like this would make anyone want to completely avoid the topic.

TLDR; Stop fighting, you babbys. Have a non-confrontational debate/discussion and SE might just listen, and be impressed by your maturity.

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For the record, Red Mage does not actually have a wand, so Time Mage wins that contest by default!

But seriously, my sentiments exactly. The devs aren't blind/deaf(unless they've been enfeebled); they're looking into what best suits FFXIV 2.0(and not what won't work in the now dead 1.0), and as such are no doubt considering both jobs. If they do add either one, hopefully they'll add a nice dose of creativity along with them.

Until then, whining, moaning(and as usual on the internet, most of the posts in this thread are bickering instead of actual content), and attacking each other like a bunch of sniveling 15-year-olds brings down the collective intelligence of the entire community. I've done it myself on occasion in frustration, but if we like to say that the FFXI/FFXIV communities are of a higher caliber than other online games, then we have to be better than that.

Well it started out good natured enough until the dream killing police started raiding it with their sour attitudes(Admittedly on purpose to troll).

All it was supposed to do was say "Hi, I've always had my heart set on Time Mage and I have hope it'll be in FFXIV eventually." to which people started claiming through the power of prophecy it'll never be around and knowledge of 2.0 gameplay mechanics, then Red Mage enthusiasts started claiming they had special god given priority and exclusive use of roles/spells.

This reminds me of why I don't participate in the Final Fantasy community, any statement or opinion you say, someone will try to pick a fight with you always. Or try and correct you / claim intellectual superiority.