Job Individuality/Pride/Dedication

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Exactly. However, way too many people expect you to master all jobs. I wonder if it's something more prevalent in the Western community btw, looking at youtube videos, it seems that the Japanese are more relaxed/tolerant when it comes to the job choice for a particular content.

A word of warning: this is not meant to be a "Japanese are better, all hail the Japanese" post, but merely an observation.

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I've not met too many of these people, but as observed below your post, some people do get a little too set in their ways and won't look at other ways of doing things. Abolishing the Armory system will not change this. In fact it may make it worse, because people will have their class or job attached to their character. And people will only play the characters on the most popular class/job, leading to a shortage in the jobs that aren't "popular".

I like the armory system because, you don't have to level a whole new character to enjoy another class or job. Having a secondary class prevents boredom so long as there is still content to play (Those last few months of bored really hurt, but I digress.) And also, it allows you to be more efficient as a player. I know we've only talked about DoW/DoM jobs, but being able to make your own weapons and armor from scratch, from raw materials to finished product, was one of the best things in this game.

Sure my passion is WAR (as a DD not tank), but I'm also a WHM if you need that too. So I can play my favorite job, without being left out of parties all the time because I hate tanking.

I don't know about you people, but HELL TO THE NO.

I do not want to have to create a separate character just to level a different job.

No Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Because disagreeing with you means we're crazy? Being ignorant and just outright hiding yourself from all the good points in this thread doesn't make ME crazy.

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I failed to see any "good points." If people want to be the weakest link and focus on one job, that's their prerogative... But don't try to hide behind the laughable "individuality" argument. If you choose to not level other jobs and equip them (I'm not even saying all of them, just one or two others is great), then you choose to gimp your groups, and run the high risk of being left out for someone who cares to be a better player. It's extremely rare I'm asked to be something other than one or two specific jobs anyway, despite having leveled and geared almost everything.
We were given the freedom to switch jobs, and accomplishing certain feats without that ability (Speed runs, for instance) would be nigh impossible. There is no "good point" to removing this kind of freedom from players.

Ive played many mmo wow rift lotr ff11 ff14 etc
They stated they are going to put a que system in. Alot of the issues you are complaining about have already probably been fixed.
If it is anything like rift que system you can actually pick a role tank healer dps or support before you even que obviously having more options selected will benefit you que time so there would be a gear check system for more difficult dungeon which is honestly a really good system one of the best ive seen in an mmo.
SO again your main role you wnt to play que as it so you wont worry about random people, and you also dont owe anybody anything so if you dont want to play a class just say this is what i got aka what you confident in playing. Most people ive ever partied with are kind and may even switch for you to play what you got, but if your doing an a event and they need you to do something, convey your msg in a more subtle way and if they are completely dense which there are plenty in any game you play leave they party save yourself a headache.

Crevox what you descripe to dislike, is the community and how they act.

This happens in all games. Instead of being forced to an other job, you just get thrown out of party, I seen it enough, also in FFXI.

FFXIV will not be exception, no matter if we can change our class so easily.

I am sorry but I dislike how you say you want to feel good that You reached 50.
How must other feel, people who never reached it?

I never reached it, is it making me a very bad player, because it is so easy to get?
Your words probably don't mean harm, but they do, by looking down on people that are less.

I never been higher then 25, I was so proud I was 25 with my archer.

But here you say how easy it is to get everything to 50, that it is not special at all..
How must I feel?

Do you really want that elite behavior ingame?

Shouldn't it be about playing together, having fun together and help each other?instead of admiring that WHM who got 50 and has all his wonderful AF?

Why can't you just enjoy your own effort, and try to support others?

That you felt the illusion of being unique, is great. But an illusion it was, because with you a lot of others did the same. They are just as good as you, and deserve just as much pride as you.

FFXIV, if the armory system really works, give you really the chance to add your own touch, set your own skills.
I think it could be so much more deep then FFXI ever was.
But it needs time to be so deep, and the DEV should watch it closely. Forgotten skills must be looked at, how can we make it that people also want this skill.

I loved FFXI, I played it the most of all MMORPG's I played, but too much people felt elite in that game in the past.
Lucky the grouping was good, and good groups didn't excist of 1 person, as far as I remember, it was about everyone working together.

I was mostly WHM myself, I had great groups, but I needed all the party. it wasn't me alone, it was my group, and yes I was a part of it.

I hope I don't offended you, but while I do understand you, I think such feeling isn't good for MMORPG's, single players games is good for that.

In MMORPG's it should be equal and fun, there shouldn't be a limit in what you can do. :) That is my opinion.

The entire point of MMO with variety of jobs is you get to pick what you do, be it dedicated to only 1 job or 2 or all jobs maxed out.

MMO is about diversity and with comes the diversity of game play and the diversity of the community.

At the end of the day, people will do what they feel like in an MMO.

MMO will never be perfect but at least the majority will do their best to fit in so they can enjoy the game. Otherwise, sticking with one job only is basically saying, I don't want to adapt like everyone else because it's just me me me only...

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Shouldn't it be about playing together, having fun together and help each other?instead of admiring that WHM who got 50 and has all his wonderful AF?

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Sanne, I'd love to recruit people with your attitude into my ls but are in a different server ;)

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Exactly. However, way too many people expect you to master all jobs. I wonder if it's something more prevalent in the Western community btw, looking at youtube videos, it seems that the Japanese are more relaxed/tolerant when it comes to the job choice for a particular content.

A word of warning: this is not meant to be a "Japanese are better, all hail the Japanese" post, but merely an observation.

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There are big differences in the approach to the game, IMO.

Most of the people in our Linkshell (JP) have everything at 50, but we each have 2 or 3 jobs that we like to play and therefore are better at it through experience and better gear. And we all know each others preferred jobs.

Depending on who is in the party, we usually shuffle our jobs around to find a mix that should generally work for the fight, and then go in. It's often not the standard mix, but it often works as long as people understand the fight itself.

People usually get to play a job they like, there's no need to go back and shout in Ul'dah, and leaving someone out because they don't fit a specific role is unheard of.

The ability to change jobs as necessary allows us to have a lot more fun.

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I do not want to have to create a separate character just to level a different job.

No Thanks.

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No one said that would be the case. I don't even want that to be the case. I want SE to restrict the ability to change classes a bit, not remove the feature entirely (example: have to go to a specific location).

You and other people seem to be under the wrong impression; I don't want the ability to change classes to be removed. I never said that. I love that feature about this game as much as you do.

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I failed to see any "good points." If people want to be the weakest link and focus on one job, that's their prerogative... But don't try to hide behind the laughable "individuality" argument. If you choose to not level other jobs and equip them (I'm not even saying all of them, just one or two others is great), then you choose to gimp your groups, and run the high risk of being left out for someone who cares to be a better player. It's extremely rare I'm asked to be something other than one or two specific jobs anyway, despite having leveled and geared almost everything.
We were given the freedom to switch jobs, and accomplishing certain feats without that ability (Speed runs, for instance) would be nigh impossible. There is no "good point" to removing this kind of freedom from players.

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This is the problem. It should not be a requirement even in the slightest to play multiple classes.

It was never requirement in the first place since every class can complete any content just fine, SE can't fix if community hangs on the first success strat setup and NA's PUG communities inability to find a new strategy (obviously this doesnt happens to most endgame LS, because they adapt and optimize it further.).

I still fail to see what will limiting our ability to change job whenever will accomplish other than annoys people up, say this changes to be implemeted, people will adapt, find the new optimal strategy, and still goes with cookie cutter setup like back in darkhold days.