DDoS two hours after the patch goes live is ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Curious....is anyone in Arizona getting hit by these?

I know atleast 3 diff people in AZ in different locations that do NOT get the DC...like ever.

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In the past, I have indeed routed a VPN through Arizona and successfully avoided DDoS.

I routed it through Arizona because I looked at the main wires that go through america to the server in California. It's immediately obvious that there is a wire going right through the middle of the country and that this is the default route, so the obvious alternatives are:

- Above, potentially even trying to route through Canada if needed, but this might end up connecting to NTT still at some point.

- Below, through Arizona. Because by forcing the traffic to that location, it now has to take a route diagonally up which avoids NTT.

- Nobody would try this, but you could try routing the complete opposite way (to Japan/Australia) and travel through the sea, but your ping would probably be like 1,200 ms!

The DDoS a few months ago, Arizona didn't work, but maybe it does now. I haven't tried for a while.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

People on Reddit are saying that those who are using a VPN or are on PS5 are having less disconnects. It appears to be disproportionally hitting PC users.

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I've seen the opposite happen in real time before. Back in Oct/Nov waves I would constantly get kicked while on PSN while my friends on PC in the same party would stay connected. It's consistent with the node attack theory. Likely this time it didn't take out PSN connections.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Curious....is anyone in Arizona getting hit by these?

I know atleast 3 diff people in AZ in different locations that do NOT get the DC...like ever.

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As someone in AZ, I can confirm that while I have witnessed many people get thrown, I have never been one of the ones to disconnect. I have suspected I am connected through some node that isn't getting hit like everyone else but being on the ps5 I have no way to trace my route.

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Originally Posted by switchhitter

As someone in AZ, I can confirm that while I have witnessed many people get thrown, I have never been one of the ones to disconnect. I have suspected I am connected through some node that isn't getting hit like everyone else but being on the ps5 I have no way to trace my route.

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Aye it seems like the AZ route appears to avoid the problematic node. I just got 4 more confirmations since the last one...I wonder if there will be a DC at 10pm EST (in 43 mins from this post)

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Aye it seems like the AZ route appears to avoid the problematic node. I just got 4 more confirmations since the last one...I wonder if there will be a DC at 10pm EST (in 43 mins from this post)

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Arizona here as well, I've lagged a ton at worst but haven't been disconnected.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I spent time on Dynamis a while back and there were DDoS then as well, got disconnected just the same.

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Aye, which is why I didn't much stock in that claim because there's no reason NA data centers would be effected differently during a DDoS, especially if they're all in the same place.
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It's a simple consequence of the higher population. If 2,000 people get disconnected due to the DDoS, then 2,000 people will try to get in. They will be processed 1 at a time, and as a result, you will see a queue like 1,800.

It's more of an indication of how many people it affected, than anything else. If the queue is only 30 or 200, then not many were booted by the DDoS (or you got into the queue really quickly)

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I think the point is that the more populated data centers are being hurt more by the number of people trying to get back in all at once, and while that could be mitigated in part by people choosing to log into Primal or Dynamis instead, it doesn't change that all NA go down at once anyway.
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Not in my experience. The DDoS have happened in patch lulls plenty of the time. They were even happening for many weeks after the Deep Dungeon released. I think many people don't notice the DDoS in patch lulls because either they aren't playing, or they aren't doing any content where it significantly affects them.

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It's more that whatever damage was caused during the patch just continues to run through even during the lulls, and it's reached a point of being almost-constant now regardless of how many people are affected. For that matter, people have been dropped even super-late in the night/early morning, so if this a targeted attack, they're not just choosing the busiest hours to do it, there's something consistently setting the servers off 24/7 at certain intervals, whereas you'd think a DDoS would want to do the most damage at the worst times for greatest effect.
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Other regions aren't getting this though, and they have worlds set to Congested. I do think they are genuinely being DDoS'd, but that doesn't mean the disconnects are a result of the DDoS.

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But have other regions utilized temporary data center lockdowns to keep people from traveling as NA has done? Even with Materia, as near as I can tell, was built from the ground up to prevent people from traveling out but allowing everyone else in, and the reason they don't do that with EVERY data center is because it would require re-building them. Likewise Shadow for EU was always supposed to be a temporary existence.

The toggle for making worlds congested to prevent new characters/transfers may be different from whatever toggle Square-Enix pushes to enable/disable data center hoping between NA worlds.

Do any EU or JP data centers/worlds get locked up as tightly as Aether and Balmung in the NA during peak hours, or are they always available for traveling?

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Do any EU or JP data centers/worlds get locked up as tightly as Aether and Balmung in the NA during peak hours, or are they always available for traveling?

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I don't know, but I do know that:

JP had the issue of everyone going to Mana to raid.

EU had the issue of everyone going to Light to raid.

And the natural result of all that is those data centers having more congested worlds to try and push the populations to the other ones.

You know what time it is gamers :D DDOS OCLOCK!

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Do any EU or JP data centers/worlds get locked up as tightly as Aether and Balmung in the NA during peak hours, or are they always available for traveling?

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Well, zero servers on Light are closed. Only 3 servers on Mana are closed.
Opposed to the entire Crystal and Aether Datacenters being closed.

So is NA more congested? Yes. We do have the most players.

It's happening again. This is like, Endwalker launch queues. (I guess the game's not dead!)

I've heard that PS5 is less affected because that client has a longer timeout before it gives up. I think I might agree, because it does feel short. I notice the lag, and I'm out in less than 10 seconds. If were 30-60 seconds, I would be super dead, the party would wipe, but that's fine. Because it would still avoid the queue. That makes it much less of an inconvenience. Not to mention, getting dropped during a craft! A longer timeout would solve that too.