Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

Mixed isn;t negative tho....its MIXED....some people like it some people don't....so its not really enough for them to really cater a answer to.

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DT is reviewing worse than Stormblood. Stormblood, the expansion that filters even people that make it through ARR, due to how bad it is.

Imagine calling people that are CRITICIZING A PRODUCT THAT THEY PAID MONEY FOR "whiney and entitled". Yes. We are entitled. Entitled TO A GOOD PRODUCT. Entitled to COMPLAIN (reasonably) about a PRODUCT that we PAID MONEY FOR and were not SATISFIED BY and want the developers to know, to reflect, and make a BETTER PRODUCT that we PAID MONEYYYYY FOR. Understand now? It's how BUSINESS works. Customers that cannot get complaints fielded or responded to are no longer customers. They are SLAVES that are PAYING to be IGNORED.

That is NOT A GOOD SITUATION to be in. It's how COMPANIES DIE and niches are NOT FILLED because the provider of that service went out of business. The "WHINEY PEOPLE" are trying to SAVE FFXIV. If we did not CARE ABOUT FFXIV we would not be "WHINEY".

It's the point that Xenosys was saying: He would not COMPLAIN about something if he did not CARE ABOUT IT SUCCEEDING OR NOT.

It's when people DO NOT COMPLAIN that you should be VERY worried because that means people no longer care about it and have moved on.

Since reading comprehension is very hard for some people, I emphasized words so that you can better understand it. Please look forward to it :).

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Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

It's when people DO NOT COMPLAIN that you should be VERY worried because that means people no longer care about it and have moved on.

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It must be impossible that when people are ok with something, maybe even like something they don't see a reason to complain.
I guess every single person of all the thousands of players who doesn't complain over Dawntrail simply don't care.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

DT is reviewing worse than Stormblood. Stormblood, the expansion that filters even people that make it through ARR, due to how bad it is.

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Ehhh. This is a pretty ridiculous reach. Stormblood was mixed at best but no hated to the point of "filtering" anyone out. Content wise, it has long stood the test of time as one of the best periods in FF history. Yes, the MSQ has it's issues but it's far from terrible. In fact, Doma is near universally beloved.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Ehhh. This is a pretty ridiculous reach. Stormblood was mixed at best but no hated to the point of "filtering" anyone out. Content-wise, it has long stood the test of time as one of the best periods in FF history. Yes, the MSQ has it's issues but it's far from terrible. In fact, Doma is near universally beloved.

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Not a reach at all, a lot of people stopped playing after stormblood, multiple of my friends felt they had to take a long break after that xPac, some never came back.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I don't know where you're getting your financial information. It certainly isn't from the quarterly and annual reports generated by Square Enix. You've probably read about SE dropping a number of projects and taking a write-down against what was already spent. That does not mean SE is losing money. Fiscal year 2024 (which ended at the end of March) still had an operating income that was 3% lower than the previous year. It was still income.

FY2025/3 Q1 has not been posted yet. At a guess, I predict it will be much better than Q1 for the past several years. But we won't know how much better until mid-August, about 6 weeks after Q1 closed (end of Q1 was 30 June).

And again, since SE hasn't announced numbers since the end of May (based on March numbers), all else is speculation at this point.

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I don't know where they got it from, but you don't have to be a Google master to find that ff7rebith was a 140m investment from SE but only sold 2m copies. If you assume each copy was 60$, that's a profit of around 20m, so it's not a loss, but it definitely has not done well.

While we don't have a lot of info about the sales of FF16, it was a 300m investment and sold 3m copies in its first week but dropped fast. Assuming it sold 5m copies overall at 60$ a pop, that would be 300m, so breaking even at best, so ya, that is most likely a loss here.

Now, for Dawn Trail, the data is not out yet, but End Walker sold 2.5m in preorders alone, so let's take that as a benchmark. As of June 2024, there were 1.4m end game characters. Let's assume some duplicates and say there were 1m individual players here.

Totaling these numbers, that would be 150m in pre-orders and 15m a month from subs, not including fantasia addicts, moogle station store sales, and additional retainers, so even if SE spent 300m (doubt) on DW, it would take them a few months to close the gap.

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

I don't know where they got it from, but you don't have to be a google master to find that ff7rebith was a 140m investment from SE but only sold 2m copies, if you assume each copy was 60$ that's a profit of around 20m, so, not a lose but definitely has not done well.
While we don't have a lot of info about the sales of ff16 - it was a 300m investment and sold 3m copies in it's first week but dropped fast, Assuming it sold 5m copies overall at 60$ a pop that would be 300m, so breaking even at best, so ya that is most likely a lose here.

Now for dawntrail, data is not out yet, but endwalker sold 2.5m in preorders alone so lets take that as a benchmark for dawntrail, as of June 2024 there were 1.4m end game characters, lets assume some duplicates and say there were 1m individual players here.

Totaling these numbers that would be 150m in presales and 15m a month from subs, not including fantasia addicts, mounts sold, and additional retainers, so even if SE spent 300m (doubt) on DW, it will take them a few months to close the gap.

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Dawntrail is not going to top endwalker. Word is out it sucks and now we have a civil war between two groups of players trying to claim the game for themselves. It's a catastrophe...

They tainted the memory, legacy and nostalgia of final fantasy 9 by marketing it into dt. Dt has more to do with the movie district 9 than ff9. Having this crap expansion tied to ff9 is insulting to ff9. If anything ff8 makes more sense... The marketing dept wanted this bait and switch probably to increase sales based on nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Astronema

Dawntrail is not going to top endwalker. Word is out it sucks and now we have a civil war between two groups of players trying to claim the game for themselves. It's a catastrophe...

They tainted the memory, legacy and nostalgia of final fantasy 9 by marketing it into dt. Dt has more to do with the movie district 9 than ff9. Having this crap expansion tied to ff9 is insulting to ff9. If anything ff8 makes more sense... The marketing dept wanted this bait and switch probably to increase sales based on nostalgia.

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I did not say it did, which is why I only talked about pre-orders, I assumed in my post the same amount of pre-orders, if you can find more up to date info I'l update the calculation.

TBH, you can most likely assume it is larger than Endwalker because YoshiP did say that
"With your support, we were able to reach a record number of concurrent users we’ve not seen since the release of A Realm Reborn in 2013."

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Originally Posted by Astronema

Dawntrail is not going to top endwalker. Word is out it sucks and now we have a civil war between two groups of players trying to claim the game for themselves. It's a catastrophe...

They tainted the memory, legacy and nostalgia of final fantasy 9 by marketing it into dt. Dt has more to do with the movie district 9 than ff9. Having this crap expansion tied to ff9 is insulting to ff9. If anything ff8 makes more sense... The marketing dept wanted this bait and switch probably to increase sales based on nostalgia.

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Negative Nancy can u guys just stop bashing dt the msq is done wait for the other patches.

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Originally Posted by Slayer25c

Negative Nancy can u guys just stop bashing dt the msq is done wait for the other patches.

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It's bad that's why we are here.
An example. How does ff9 being used in the story make any sense when?
Sphene= sorceress
Otis= sorcereress knight
Esther City= solution 9
Makes more sense now doesn't it?