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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Clearly you haven't played enough MMORPGs then, a prime example is Aion, where majority of characters were actually healers and support characters.

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No they weren’t. I got begged to run things on my Cleric all the time and lack of healers for groups was a thing.

Edit as I’m out of posts:

https://myaion.eu/Server/22955

Simply wrong. 10k Priest class but 17k people spread over the dps classes. Even more if you count gladiators who are typically dps only. So there. Hard numbers your wrong and so are the people who agree with you who probably didn’t even play Aion.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Okay I had to reply to this one, because it's hilarious. You're just literally proving my point about my previous statement, and yet you're deep teeth in trying to prove something you don't seem to correctly understand. For someone who "played" Aion for 9 years, you're just showing me a graph where a big chunk of characters are Clerics and Chanters, which are healers/support. 10k Priests is actually an insane number compared to 17k DPS (including Templars, which are tanks)

The entirety of point of this entire thread is: healers are so fucking numb and boring in FFXIV, that playing another MMORPG just to be a true healer is better than FFXIV in any retrospective. I'm going to die on this hill, and you can keep trying to bicker with me, my statement still stands.

Also, if you're out of posts, then considering slowing down and wait for it to reset, but stop editing your posts because half the time I'm just not going to notice any new added info.

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And, hilariously you are still wrong. They aren’t a majority. And now you are deflecting. I also didn’t include gladiators or Templars. I was being generous not including gladiators as most are dps. If I did the disparity would be higher. You can reread what I wrote or learn to add up the chart yourself.

You continue to say I do not understand when I know what the word majority means. You don’t.

Ps to your ps that you edited in: you are grasping as you are still wrong.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

No they weren’t. I got begged to run things on my Cleric all the time and lack of healers for groups was a thing.

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Because the system in Aion was nothing like we have here, synced runs, roulettes and all of that. In Aion, if you were 9 levels above a mob, you would not get drops from monsters, forcing you to either make alts or just buy stuff from the market.

Endgame in Aion was PvP mostly, not PvE, so of course the majority of players were at max level doing that type of content, not low level dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Because the system in Aion was nothing like we have here, synced runs, roulettes and all of that. In Aion, if you were 9 levels above a mob, you would not get drops from monsters, forcing you to either make alts or just buy stuff from the market.

Endgame in Aion was PvP mostly, not PvE, so of course the majority of players were at max level doing that type of content, not low level dungeons.

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I’m not talking about low level dungeons. I’m talking about everything. I played Aion for 9 years.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I’m not talking about low level dungeons. I’m talking about everything. I played Aion for 9 years.

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Then maybe you didn't play it enough to understand, lack of healers was always a thing, and yet the majority of characters were clerics and chanters. This is coming from me, who mained cleric for years.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Then maybe you didn't play it enough to understand, lack of healers was always a thing, and yet the majority of characters were clerics and chanters. This is coming from me, who mained cleric for years.

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Edit: See above edit. Numbers show you are wrong. Also barking up the wrong tree thinking I didn’t play enough to understand. I think you aren’t understanding what a majority means.

Anyway, I agree with the person you responded to. Every trinity-based mmo I’ve ever played people spamming zone chat for tanks and healers, including Aion, and the good ones having their pick of whatever they felt like doing.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

No, the majority of characters out of 11 classes at the time I left weren’t clerics and chanters. There was a good number of them but they weren’t the majority. For quite a few years ni one even wanted to play Chanter early on.

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People wanted geared clerics, and majority of people had their own statics and legions to run things with. I don't know what server you played on, but I've had so many people demand geared clerics for PvP (not PvE, mind you) that it was insane, and if you were not geared enough, you wouldn't be picked. My statement still stands.

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Originally Posted by Zeastria

Healers and tanks is the least played role in every mmo, it's not just an ffxiv thing..
There will always be more players who play dps than tank/heal..
So it's not uncommon or surprising to see.. bc thats how it has been since forever..

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Before Shb's lobotomization (and Ew's not addressing any issue with the role) they were easier to find than tanks so now them being so low in % of population should show there is something wrong. All that without mentioning how they've been a constant pain point through the entire expansion with stuff like the "green river" meme

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

No they weren’t. I got begged to run things on my Cleric all the time and lack of healers for groups was a thing.

Edit as I’m out of posts:

https://myaion.eu/Server/22955

Simply wrong. 10k Priest class but 17k people spread over the dps classes. Even more if you count gladiators who are typically dps only. So there. Hard numbers your wrong and so are the people who agree with you who probably didn’t even play Aion.

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Okay I had to reply to this one, because it's hilarious. You're just literally proving my point about my previous statement, and yet you're deep teeth in trying to prove something you don't seem to correctly understand. For someone who "played" Aion for 9 years, you're just showing me a graph where a big chunk of characters are Clerics and Chanters, which are healers/support. 10k Priests is actually an insane number compared to 17k DPS (including Templars, which are tanks)

The entirety of point of this entire thread is: healers are so fucking numb and boring in FFXIV, that playing another MMORPG just to be a true healer is better than FFXIV in any retrospective. I'm going to die on this hill, and you can keep trying to bicker with me, my statement still stands.

Also, if you're out of posts, then considering slowing down and wait for it to reset, but stop editing your posts because half the time I'm just not going to notice any new added info.

PS.- Since you keep editing your post constantly attempting to hide your original statements, let me tell you one thing: the amount of created characters does not represent actual active players currently in game, and the same truth applies to FFXIV, however, we have 4 tanks, 4 healers and 11 DPS, showing a Tank majority over Healers proves how bad healers in this game actually are.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Before Shb's lobotomization (and Ew's not addressing any issue with the role) they were easier to find than tanks so now them being so low in % of population should show there is something wrong. All that without mentioning how they've been a constant pain point through the entire expansion with stuff like the "green river" meme

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You know what? Let's put aside the fact they were a lot easier to find in prior expansion and dismiss Deceptus' data as well. You know what we can point to instead? The Director and Producer of the game itself literally begging players to "give healers a try" in a Live Letter following is now infamous "Just do Ultimate" response. Notice how in nearly a decade, he hasn't come out asking players to play tanks. It's almost like... that comment and two expansions of complaints and criticisms being ignored have started to have an impact.

There's only so much handwaving people can keep doing before you just have to acknowledge healers aren't in a good spot and haven't been for a long while now.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

People wanted geared clerics, and majority of people had their own statics and legions to run things with. I don't know what server you played on, but I've had so many people demand geared clerics for PvP (not PvE, mind you) that it was insane, and if you were not geared enough, you wouldn't be picked. My statement still stands.

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In any case, unless I'm reading the link incorrectly, that's showing an EU link with stats for Aion for 2023, in which the stats are fairly meaningless- it's a dead game at this point.

I would agree with Zephr that early on no one had a clue what chanters were good for, and until they got some well deserved class adjustments they a horrid time in PVP. However, depending upon the point in time we're talking about geared clerics were definitely in demand for PVP and were in demand for PVE as well. For PVE clerics definitely had their statics and it wasn't unusual for them to get geared by legions- we had dedicated legion runs for - Besh HM, Padmarashka first clear (that I was in) , boss camping (Omega, Ragnarok,), fort ownership, that would not have been possible without dedicated geared clerics and chanters.