Some MMO we have

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

It can be said for both games.

Wow sacrificed its leveling content for purely endgame systems, and became less and less of a social MMO.
XIV tried to stick to a set release schedule, and ended up feeling stagnant, But kept leveling relevant as possible at the cost of end game content being bland.

There is a middle ground somewhere, where XIV would absolutely thrive, but it comes at the cost of a larger development team and the player base being open to the development team making more end game content. (Remember, you don't have to do content as it releases in XIV as it stays relevant and you can just do it 1 or 2 expansions down the line if it is too hard for you on release)



This is the other argument, a large majority of people play the game as an IMVU simulator and refuse to take part in end game content, and will argue against it even if they don't actually play the game.
One quick search on most of the forum posters here, using a publicly available website, is enough to show that the majority of them haven't even completed the base difficulty versions of the content released in Endwalker.

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Wow only made leveling too fast but it's scaling system is amazing for leveling

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Wow only made leveling too fast but it's scaling system is amazing for leveling

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I tried it recently, when forum dwellers told me to go play wow instead of complaining.
Every dungeon had a level 20 twink speedrunning the dungeon, i think i got maybe 10 casts off on a warlock between level 20 and 50.

Was not a fun experience at all, felt like i was just backseat gaming while somebody else had all the fun.

The dragonflight dungeons, Really well done. Enjoyed them quite alot.

The replayability of M+ made them pretty fun, with the enemies scaling alongside the few extra mechanics that get added as the key level got higher. And even got some nice gear rewards!

But yeah, the leveling i didn't enjoy until level 50-60. The endgame was good, kept me engaged for quite a while but the overall grind as you get into higher and higher keys, became a bit stale after a while.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

We have content. People just don't want to play said content.

The casuals of this game would rather go to venues or just do general RP than actually play the content of the game. These people make up the majority of the game and their effect on the rest of the playerbase, especially newcomers is apparent.

People that actually want to do content are in the minority.

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It's not a problem of we don't have content. It's the content in 6.x more that ever just do not last. The new criterion dungeon in it self is fun. But I did it one day after it was out now what. New deep dungeon was not that good. Did it now what.
There any need to talk about the stupid island?
We don't have a relic this time. We just get it for doing nothing. They can as well just mail it to you 1 each weak,be the same just more slow.
Bottom line content need to have something that will make you do it after the first run

A week into patch day, everyone already starts to afk in Limsa and pf starts to empty, because its just that bad, and people should be blamed because they want to take breaks from paying a subscription.. for a game that offers nothing at all outside of a patch every 5 months ?
Those people play 24/7 so no wonder they run out of content .... click bait .. warning

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

It's not a problem of we don't have content. It's the content in 6.x more that ever just do not last. The new criterion dungeon in it self is fun. But I did it one day after it was out now what. New deep dungeon was not that good. Did it now what.
There any need to talk about the stupid island?
We don't have a relic this time. We just get it for doing nothing. They can as well just mail it to you 1 each weak,be the same just more slow.
Bottom line content need to have something that will make you do it after the first run

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Here u come to moan their plenty of content in this game just half of u choose to not do it. If you not happy unsub I don't know how many times people have to tell half of you guys.

Well no game has an infinite amount of content. Play it enough and you are bound to play it out. Now there is two ways to "Run of content".

1. Literally do everything

2. Do everything you care to do

Both are viable. Once done you need to ask yourself..."What keeps me coming back?". If you can't come up with one or your answer is "Nothing is keeping me here" then it's 100% ok to stop paying a sub and do something else.

For me? It's not game content. It's people. People keep me coming back.

This is a prime example of the grey(t) community we have here. Truly marvelous.. and people wonder why base content can’t be more difficult.

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Originally Posted by Xuled

Truly marvelous.. and people wonder why base content can’t be more difficult.

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Not that hard to wonder:
- The game is oriented towards its story. This means the available content must be easy to proceeed there
- A lot of the 'keep players busy' content is doing roulletes. So more difficult content must be available through that
- You dont want to isolate the difficult and easy content in roulettes, as a lot of people would avoid the easy content there
- Roulettes are mostly driven by players doing content the first time, which generaly is going to be the easier version of whatever content is given

This spiral is the cause, since even if the more difficult content is added, if no one queues for it, it never shows up. And since its more efficient reward wise to do roulettes, its generaly going to be a very rare occurence in your roulettes.

Sure, an additional roulette could be made, but thats again conflicting with 'taking players away from the easier content' thing you dont want.

It needs a significantly larger player base to get around that issue. As at that point adding a new roulette queue isnt going to deplete the other ones.

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Originally Posted by Slayer25c

Here u come to moan their plenty of content in this game just half of u choose to not do it. If you not happy unsub I don't know how many times people have to tell half of you guys.

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We in 6.3. how much if this content (that you did not do when it was new,you yoshi defenders forget this some how) is relevant? Don't it for the fun of it is good but it's one time.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Not that hard to wonder:
- The game is oriented towards its story. This means the available content must be easy to proceeed there
- A lot of the 'keep players busy' content is doing roulletes. So more difficult content must be available through that
- You dont want to isolate the difficult and easy content in roulettes, as a lot of people would avoid the easy content there
- Roulettes are mostly driven by players doing content the first time, which generaly is going to be the easier version of whatever content is given

This spiral is the cause, since even if the more difficult content is added, if no one queues for it, it never shows up. And since its more efficient reward wise to do roulettes, its generaly going to be a very rare occurence in your roulettes.

Sure, an additional roulette could be made, but thats again conflicting with 'taking players away from the easier content' thing you dont want.

It needs a significantly larger player base to get around that issue. As at that point adding a new roulette queue isnt going to deplete the other ones.

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Ex trial roulette could probably be a thing but people would need a significant bribe to engage with that over just using PF for a specific trial they want and maybe some restrictions as to who can queue up.