To people saying just server transfer for a house, you realize how awful of a solution that is right? Sure some people might have no connections to their server/data center, but not everyone has that option. FC primarily, but transferring to a different region DC also locks you out of friends and static as well. Those are all big sacrifices that one shouldn't have to make in the first place.
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01-26-2023, 03:03 AMZebraoracle
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01-26-2023, 04:28 AMAmarandeAlso DC transfer at all bumps you out of ownership of CWLS, even though you stay in it (and can access it if you DC visit back to where it is). It doesn't even let you keep leader, but bumps you down to regular member (and seems to completely randomly pick the new owner, at that).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebraoracle
This is despite the fact that if you're a Leader (but not owner) on a CWLS and you transfer DCs (again, within the same DC-visit-group) you keep your silver star if you should visit back to the original DC. Likely more spaghetti code at its finest, I'm guessing ...
And yeah. Some people actually still have strong connections within their FC/LS/etc., not everyone has been assimilated to the centralized hive mind Discords that seem to be all the rage lately (I don't get the point really. Some gaming Discords are even as large as a million members. That is literally larger than six U.S. states and the District of Columbia. How is such a place even usable, unless all people use it for is to read guides and have heavily structured ask-the-experts Q&A sessions at the expense of, as I recall from when I last used mega-Discords which was quite some time ago, enormous amounts of phone battery - especially if you work in a place where you don't have the luxury of sitting at a desk with your phone connected to charger most of the day). -
01-26-2023, 05:00 AMSeraphorIt's more of a preventative suggestion really. Of course if you already have very well established roots on a server, moving just for a house is a bit of bad deal. But if you've been on a world that long anyway, you've already had loads of chances to get a house already, through time periods where they weren't so congested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebraoracle
But then you have newer players or players who haven't really formed more 'serious' relationships who are more or less free to go where they want, but still insist on joining or staying on the 'popular servers' because they're popular for some irrational reason.
Plus FC's come and go and you're lucky if you find one that you stay in for more than a year or so, or that even lasts that long. You might regret 'committing' to an FC you've only been in for 3 months when it all falls apart 3 months later. An FC like that isn't one worth sticking around for and losing out on a virtually guaranteed house if you really want one.
Ultimately everyone has different circumstances and priorities, but for those who are not tied to a serious FC commitment or friends they know well, moving to a different DC is the best option. -
01-26-2023, 08:07 AMShuuli
Not quite sure how good of a relationship most people have with their FC, but I joined the game and I have been with them since, and I am not planning to leave my FC that I do not own, I am just a part of it. I have friends inside that I don't want to leave behind and I should not be forced in a social (MMO) game to abandon friends to get an item that is supposed to be part of the game...
This is a FANTASY game, where the fuck is the fantasy in having the same level of issues of getting a house than irl...
I feel that SE is doing a terrible job of making things happen and the Island sanctuaries were just a big stab in the back to prove that they could done isntanced housing, they just give zero fuck. But sure its going to be better if a full ward is owned by 1 FC - that will generate a nice neighborhood experience to that 1 person that owns all those houses. Lmao.
I also said I wouldn't even mind not having my own house if I can get the things done in my apartment that are currently only available at housing (like gardening). Because that is basically gating the part of the game. And make different sized apartments. SO people can do decorating on a bigger scale even if in an apartment only.
I dont even get why people who couldnt get a house so far need to make an excuse to anyone, on why they could not make it. This is a game... People are not supposed to be gated like this in a basic content. -
01-26-2023, 08:26 AMKitsu
100% agree.
Give them a 100% refund for the plot. Let's end the practices of grandfathering and shell FC wards in a game where housing is EXTREMELY limited.
There are an estimated 26,000 players on Brynhildr, but only 9,000 plots. If everyone can own a maximum of 2 houses, that means about 4,500 or only 17% of the population on Brynhildr can own two houses. Now imagine more than a few of those players have created shell FCs using their alts. Terrible odds, that is. With every lottery comes more disappointment for the majority of the population.
Does it make any sense why -- in a game that is supposed to be fun -- the majority of players are just disappointed every 9 days? -
01-26-2023, 08:54 AMMidareyukkiI feel like a proper preventative solution to the problem would be making use of the plots that will become available with relocations. Because those will become available, but locked until the next round. If we're going to reduce the issue, we need to make the most out of what we got. Otherwise it's just a logistical nightmare that never ends, with people bidding, losing, and then the house next to them is empty. And they can't get that plot, not until the next roulette.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphor
Look at what I posted the page before. Those plots are empty, and I'm willing to bet most of them opened up because of Relocations. In effect, that's so many plots that got locked out from new buyers just because of relocating houses. And the same will happen again. And again. And again. When SE says "We're adding X plots", the number of available plots is actually X - N, with N being the successful relocations. And we'll just be in an endless loop where plots are available but no new houses are being built. And this congests the lottery.
As for moving servers...
Honestly though, we shouldn't be pushing for people to have to pay real life money to fix something in-game. This feels like the "Hrothgars want haircuts? Buy a fantasia!" thing all over again. To alleviate something in-game. So telling people to change servers isn't exactly the most helpful of things, since one would just really covering their own butt rather than actively fixing the problem. Those people will also have the same issue elsewhere and make the situation in another server worse. Realistically, there's no way we can make server population uniform. That's just never going to happen, and if the response is "please move elsewhere" every time, at some point the answer might end up looping back at you. With people telling YOU to move servers yourself because THEY can't get a house.
Even worse is: okay, people moved. You still lost the lottery. You'll still feel really bad, and blame the system and the people who won yet again :T
All I see are loops. People move houses, plots become available, loop back around. Someone tells people to move bc you're angry, they move and cause issues elsewhere, but you might not win and if you don't, you're angry, loop back around.
If we could make the most out of the plots that are open, then that'd help. I suggested cross-world housing, but just merely making the most out of relocated plots already helps with some supply. -
01-26-2023, 09:07 AMStormpeaksOr you can just take one of the many houses that are available but that people dont want to get because its goblet or empy, I see A LOT on a site with the available houses for Brynhildr. And a LOT of them (about 400) have 0 bids. Stop this nonsense and trying to strip things away from people, they still worked for it.Quote:
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01-26-2023, 09:42 AMVerdeLuckNot everyone wants one but there are far too few houses for the number of people who want one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
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01-26-2023, 10:51 AMRaimYou keep saying this because you're on a very low pop EU server. Nearly all the NA houses outside of Dynamis will be taken by next cycle. This isn't about people being picky on NA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
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01-26-2023, 01:39 PMYodadaSame could be said for Balmung or Mateus. Their population is an anomaly within the FF14 Worlds. Lets be honest here. Would you as a business increase the plots to match Balmung and therefore going to create even more empty wards on other Worlds especially JP ones? (especially if Square wants to stick to the actual warding system instead of an instanced one) No. You would add new Worlds and giving them an incentive to move to those (be it new plots, exp bonus or blocking older ones). And if people or whole FCs arent taking the chance to get their first plot or an upgrade, well its their decision to not take this opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raim