Ungendered sit poses, please?

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

It's literally just gender based animations where gender neutral animations exist and have always existed. It is not making everything neutral, it's just a small selection of things that don't touch racial uniqueness. You're missing the entire point and are conflating the homogenization of racial uniqueness with making things more fair by gender regardless of what gender you play as.

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My point wasnt towards the OP first n foremost. I'm not conflating anything. Not once did I claim OP wants everything to be neutral. But there's others that do and that's what I'm addressing due to earlier posts.

The only thing that isn't fair when it comes to gender that i can think of off hand is outfit distribution on the mogststion as females for sure get more there. And that's not even the topic of discussion. As things are with emotes and poses the situation is fair. Both gender have sits that that other doesn't have in equal amount. What isn't fair there?

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

My point wasnt towards the OP first n foremost. I'm not conflating anything. Not once did I claim OP wants everything to be neutral. But there's others that do and that's what I'm addressing due to earlier posts.

The only thing that isn't fair when it comes to gender that i can think of off hand is outfit distribution on the mogststion as females for sure get more there. And that's not even the topic of discussion. As things are with emotes and poses the situation is fair. Both gender have sits that that other doesn't have in equal amount. What isn't fair there?

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The entire reason for me making this thread was to talk specifically about gendered sits. This is not the place to talk about unlocking racial animations, as that is not the point. People have derailed taking gender neutrality into racial neutrality and implying it's the same thing and arguing it when again: it's just the new sits they implemented with 6.3.

And here's the thing: they've been making the female glams available for men with recent updates including this last one. And vice versa. Women can now run around in the Valentione's suit, and men can wear stuff like the songbird costume and the Dirndl dress. The entire precedent for asking for this kind of thing is due to the fact they have been granting access to gear regardless of gender. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like the Neo Ishgardian set and give us a choice of which to wear, but that's not what this is about.

It's about letting people have access to any of the sitting poses released in 6.3 Nothing to do with racial animations. Just the stuff they released nearly two weeks ago.
That's it.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

The entire reason for me making this thread was to talk specifically about gendered sits. This is not the place to talk about unlocking racial animations, as that is not the point. People have derailed taking gender neutrality into racial neutrality and implying it's the same thing and arguing it when again: it's just the new sits they implemented with 6.3.

And here's the thing: they've been making the female glams available for men with recent updates including this last one. And vice versa. Women can now run around in the Valentione's suit, and men can wear stuff like the songbird costume and the Dirndl dress. The entire precedent for asking for this kind of thing is due to the fact they have been granting access to gear regardless of gender. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like the Neo Ishgardian set and give us a choice of which to wear, but that's not what this is about.

It's about letting people have access to any of the sitting poses released in 6.3 Nothing to do with racial animations. Just the stuff they released nearly two weeks ago.
That's it.

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Yet the new sits are separated by gender. The whole crux is uniqueness. Again I don't feel they need to make each one available to both genders. Them being how they are makes them unique.

You can't say it's not about other things then use other things as a reason to even ask for this in the first place. That very much means it's all linked so it's not off to bring up said other stuff. I'll say it again, there is literally nothing unfair about these new sit poses and how they've implemented them. By all means continue to ask for these things to be neutral, just understand that some don't want or need this. That's all

I pay my sub to avoid the woke content after work. SE is doing it right by not pandering the mob. The moment I see woke stuff in FF14 is the moment I boycott.

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Yet the new sits are separated by gender. The whole crux is uniqueness. Again I don't feel they need to make each one available to both genders. Them being how they are makes them unique.

You can't say it's not about other things then use other things as a reason to even ask for this in the first place. That very much means it's all linked so it's not off to bring up said other stuff. I'll say it again, there is literally nothing unfair about these new sit poses and how they've implemented them. By all means continue to ask for these things to be neutral, just understand that some don't want or need this. That's all

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It's not uniqueness when they're arbitrarily locking stuff based on gender. This issue is more like the unlocking of gendered clothing than it is stripping races of their unique animations. They arbitrarily separated the animations. They can fix that if they want because there are a Lot of people who want this fix.

And there is no one holding you at gunpoint to use this. It's literally about people who would want this, and there's nothing unique about gender restrictions and it's a bad precedent to set when they're being more inclusive in other fields.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

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Or the gay miqo and highlander from the Wanderer's Palace Hard unlock, or the Rising npc from the year before who talked about her wife. Or the fact there are many black and brown elves in this game.
Why are they playing this when women can run around in pants, men in dresses, and same gendered players can marry each other.
god forbid someone wants more inclusive animation.

God I wish. I want to do the folded arm angry-boy male au ra sit so badly.
When they said that the sitting options were expanded, for some reason I just thought we were getting ungendered poses to begin with.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

Or the gay miqo and highlander from the Wanderer's Palace Hard unlock, or the Rising npc from the year before who talked about her wife. Or the fact there are many black and brown elves in this game.
Why are they playing this when women can run around in pants, men in dresses, and same gendered players can marry each other.
god forbid someone wants more inclusive animation.

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It's just the natural state of this forum. "I don't see a use for this for me personally, so nobody should be allowed to have it" is the thought process for 3/4ths of the people here when it comes to harmless quality of life suggestions.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

It's not uniqueness when they're arbitrarily locking stuff based on gender. This issue is more like the unlocking of gendered clothing than it is stripping races of their unique animations. They arbitrarily separated the animations. They can fix that if they want because there are a Lot of people who want this fix.

And there is no one holding you at gunpoint to use this. It's literally about people who would want this, and there's nothing unique about gender restrictions and it's a bad precedent to set when they're being more inclusive in other fields.

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Why isn't it uniqueness to have stuff locked to a gender? And it's not a "fix" because it's not broken. It's working how they intended it to.

On a side note: it's not like guys sit that way because they think it's "cool". We kind of have to sit like that.

Sure all the regular guys would like their male character to suddenly sit like a modest woman with a dress. Pretty selfish idea. Same goes for the ladies as well. My sister for sure would love to see her character spreading her legs