Why does this game still cater to exploiters and cheaters?

your face has gone terribly wrong, cheater.

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Originally Posted by fusional

so where did this game's community go so terribly wrong? what happened?

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Ff11 community is way worse, imo.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Ff11 community is way worse, imo.

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in what way? it's entirely possible i'm not remembering correctly, or seeing things through nostalgiavision- but it seemed like while quite a lot of people were botting/teleport hacking, it was kept very quiet... and when people found out about it, it left a black mark on the player's record that people never forgot. especially if they got banned for it.

i don't really remember anyone openly defending cheating outside of "well if we don't do it, we can't compete"- which is admittedly a bit weak in itself, but never really denied outright that it was cheating.

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Originally Posted by fusional

...it seemed like while quite a lot of people were botting/teleport hacking, it was kept very quiet... and when people found out about it, it left a black mark on the player's record that people never forgot. especially if they got banned for it.

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This is exactly what I remember as well. I'm not sure what people are talking about. Perhaps it was different on other servers..

Well, both FFXIV and FFXI(prime time) give ridiculous conditions that make the community more angry than happy. Where else to take that anger than the official forums?

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Originally Posted by fusional

<Yoshia's quote on Gardua>

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Funny you post that, yet you leave out the very final part:

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I obtained weapons and headdresses utilizing this method. Will I be banned for exploiting this?

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This is an oversight on the developer’s part, so please do not worry about this. However, as this is not recommended, we appreciate your understanding and cooperation.

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Once again, Yoshida said no one would be punished. Get over it.

EDIT: And don't get me wrong, I'm glad the BLM burn is gone. Mostly since I'm happy I won't see scrub BLMs that think 4/5 AF makes them "good". I'm just sick of watching people cry over something that doesn't even effect them.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

if you don't like my posts, don't read my posts. It's not -that- complicated.

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Didnt have any problem with your OP. I just think the talking yourself up was a bit much.

With regards to your comments about the crafting bots, I believe SE is at fault for how rampant they are in the game. Not because they dont ban people that use them (although thats certainly part of it) but because the main reason people used the bots to begin with is because the crafting system was so tedious and boring that it really created the enviroment necesssary to have people feel like they needed a bot to get through it. Much like leveling, if they just made it fun and engaging you would have more people that would want to do it themselves instead of using a bot to do it for them. You can't ever get rid of people wanting to cheat using 3rd party tools completely but, by making a game that people WANT to play, it would certainly reduce the number that do.

If anyone remembers, back when coblyns were legit exp gains, the SP system was still not working correctly. Later SE increased thier HP anyway. As for Garuda, like i said before, people wh BLM burned it now have to learn a new strategy, and those who didnt can say 'I didnt use the Garuda Exploit.'

Botters arent affecting me, its still pretty easy to make money as people constantly need mats, which i dont mind putting time into getting. At the end of it, when i get a peice of gear I feel a sense of acheivement, something people who do exploit dont really get.

really if its not directly affecting you who cares? It seems that people forget that FFXI had its share of exploits, which if were going to talk about PLing I think i'll just say Summoner Burn. SE was perfectly ok with people doing those to gain exp that way, I remember some people levelling a job from 1-75 in a summoner burn party. That Azury is an exploit, 1 player, 1 shotting 1 coblyn to gain exp. Sorry, not an Exploit. The game is set up so mobs die and give exp based on thier level, which, back then is what was happening, SE made a mistake by making a lvl 46 mob have incredibly low hp and they changed it.

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Originally Posted by Elspeth

If anyone remembers, back when coblyns were legit exp gains, the SP system was still not working correctly. Later SE increased thier HP anyway. As for Garuda, like i said before, people wh BLM burned it now have to learn a new strategy, and those who didnt can say 'I didnt use the Garuda Exploit.'

Botters arent affecting me, its still pretty easy to make money as people constantly need mats, which i dont mind putting time into getting. At the end of it, when i get a peice of gear I feel a sense of acheivement, something people who do exploit dont really get.

really if its not directly affecting you who cares? It seems that people forget that FFXI had its share of exploits, which if were going to talk about PLing I think i'll just say Summoner Burn. SE was perfectly ok with people doing those to gain exp that way, I remember some people levelling a job from 1-75 in a summoner burn party. That Azury is an exploit, 1 player, 1 shotting 1 coblyn to gain exp. Sorry, not an Exploit. The game is set up so mobs die and give exp based on thier level, which, back then is what was happening, SE made a mistake by making a lvl 46 mob have incredibly low hp and they changed it.

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Actually I'm glad we have botters keeping prices down.

Ingots are 250k +1!!!! Imagine if we didn't have them. Anyone want ingot 1mil?
No thanks.

So be glad we have farmers to keep prices decent whinnies.

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Originally Posted by Noir

Actually I'm glad we have botters keeping prices down.

Ingots are 250k +1!!!! Imagine if we didn't have them. Anyone want ingot 1mil?
No thanks.

So be glad we have farmers to keep prices decent whinnies.

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be more specific, which ingots

if you mean the new ones(darksteel and rose gold) then theres a huge reason behind it, its cuz the vendors sell 1 of the items, which you cant farm, for like 100k