Pulling wall to wall isn't fast enough?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

If the cs was only 5 seconds, I doubt you were tossed into aoe. Firstly, you wouldn’t of been in the boss room. Secondly, at 5 seconds, the time hadn’t been long enough to force you into the fight. Thirdly, at 5 seconds, boss room hadn’t closed off yet. Even had you received a rez, you rez onto the healers position at time of cast. Not your current position. On top of that, you get rez immunity for a couple seconds.

Yes jijifli, I had thought about death penalty after. But the story doesn’t add up

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You're probably right, it's been a while. I think it was longer, I think I was forced in. I didn't know about rez immunity, I never noticed you rez on the healer's position. Guess I'm wrong. You win. Good job.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Final bosses should lock the fight until everyone is finished with the cut scenes. Most cut scenes are half a minute or less anyway.
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I thought it was this way anyway, in that the barrier to the boss area wouldn't drop until everyone was done watching the cutscenes.

When I played WoW, if you stopped to view a cutscene, you'd miss half the run, or get kicked for AFKing. As a result, I always cancelled the scenes so as to not get left behind.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You realize by doing this your are putting strain on your healer as well? Unless your healer is on board with letting the dps tank what they pull, you are punishing your healer as well. If a tank did that to me, I’d be against them as much as I’d be against the dps

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That's up to the healer if they want to heal them after they refuse to follow simple instructions and want to try tanking as a DPS. They learn quick after the first death.

As a tank it isn't my job to babysit people. Either they let me, the tank, set the tempo or they can leave and try tanking themselves. It's about respect. Respect my role and I'll respect your role.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

That's up to the healer if they want to heal them after they refuse to follow simple instructions and want to try tanking as a DPS. They learn quick after the first death.

As a tank it isn't my job to babysit people. Either they let me, the tank, set the tempo or they can leave and try tanking themselves. It's about respect. Respect my role and I'll respect your role.

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If I were in your group as a healer and you pulled that, I'd turn my full attention to healing the dps that you are trying to let die. If you don't want to do the job you queued for because of your ego, you can leave. :)

And if you don't leave, well, I'm sure the vote dismiss will pass quickly.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

I'm just started tanking and I do find it rude if DPS pulls behind my pull. I adjust my pulls based on if the Healer can comfortably keep up and what cooldowns are up or down.

Usually they listen when I inform them that as the Tank I determine the pulls as that's my role. If they aren't satisfied with how I'm pulling and how large I pull then they're free to leave or tank themselves. That usually gets them to slow down and let me do my job as more often then not most DPS don't tank and don't want to tank.

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You're a tank, not a pull.

- plays tank
- refuses to tank
- has main character syndrome when he's nothing more than a cog in the party wheel
- unwarranted ego
- talks about disrespect yet disrespects everyone else in the party with his kindergarten behaviour
- unwarranted ego
definitively a single puller, tbh

personal insult? that you have an unwarranted ego is a fact, just read your own posts lol
or are you saying that single puller or main character syndrome are the insults? please get out of whatever social echo chamber bubble you're in if you consider those insults

those assumptions lmao
I've had exactly 3 tanks get upset at me throughout 1000s of dungeons, trials and raids and you know what? only 2 (t w o) were about pulling - and what do you think I pulled in both cases? the first time, it was a singular (1 (one)) enemy that aggro'd me through line of sight, not even because I attacked it. the second time it was two mobs in toto-rak while the tank was standing around doing nothing, refusing to pick up the light thing (which name eludes me right now). maybe he should've done his job and pulled instead of doing nothing, hmm?
plus, the only time I've ever been voted out was by two people griefing, so you're wrong, thank you very much

the tanks role is holding aggro, nothing more, nothing else. it's job is not setting the pace nor pulling, but of course you know it better, mr lvl 60 tank
I'm clearly the wrong one, with 3 tanks at 80 and the last one currently at 67 and soon to be 80, too!

PS: DPS don't even get a chance to pull for me, maybe you should try that, too! maybe then you'll stop complaining about a non-issue

When you learn to be respectful and stop being toxic then we can talk. Not that I see much gain from it considering you see tanks as glorified Babysitters meant to accommodate suicidal "go, go, go" DPS that blatantly disrespect the tank like yourself.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

And no. The tanks job is setting the tempo and tanking - not babysitting. The role is called Tank not "Let the DPS walk all over you".

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I can assure you... if this is another MMO, you'll probably correct. But FFXIV is different. Tanks are -not- the king. It's the group's decision. If people are dissatisfied they each have 33% power over the group that's also known as Vote Dismiss count.

A single pulling tank is as good as a gimped dps with constant Weakness debuff. Why? Because in addition to tanks' already lower damage output than a legit DPS, tanking a single pack is something that's not exclusive to tanks. Single pulling devalues qualities where tanks shines at: their tankiness. Why would you waste that advantage of yours by playing chicken? If you don't want to see anybody pulling ahead in lv50+ contents, then pull until there's nothing left to pull.

Do note that I specifically mentioned lv50+ because that's how easy tanking progresses into late game. If it's lv15-50 where walls aren't so apparent (i.e. Aurum Vale first room), taking consideration of your healers' limited tools, dps AoE firepower, and your own survivability is completely fine. Under normal circumstances, big pulls are almost always preferred. Horror stories happen but they're not the norm.

Please don't fall into "Tanks/Healers are the king"-trap, that's a relic from another MMO. I repeat; FFXIV is entirely different. :(

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Thankfully I haven't dealt with incompetent healers as such thus far.

Ironic too that you talk about "jobs" when you're enabling DPS that aren't doing their job and you're refusing to do your job yourself. I pity any tank that's unfortunate enough to be grouped with you.

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I'm a competent enough healer that I can keep a dps alive without a tank. If you don't want to tank, I don't need you.

Sure, I don't necessarily agree with DPS pulling. I find it annoying. But what gets under my skin more is egomaniacs like you who think they are the most important person in the duty. Get over yourself before you look like a complete fool.