Need help / advice for this tank roulette situation

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Originally Posted by FrogDog

Ah so I guess the issue is your standard of politeness? Given my limited interactions with you on this thread that seems kind of laughable.

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There's no issue; I actually really liked your story. You basically did everything I assumed you all do; the Rescue pull, not bringing the mobs back, being condescending when the tank addressed you politely, attacking the rest of the group when they defended the tank. You so concisely illustrated why people like you are the problem that all I can really do is thank you.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Lack of familiarity with level 80 tanking?…. You need to do at the very least 6 dungeons to get to paglthan. Again this just sounds like horrible excuses to try to enable these people. I’m not a tank main. Tanking is by far my least favorite role. However, i leveled a tank(drk) purely because i kept getting issues with tanks in endgame content. Tanks not knowing their kit, not mass pulling in endgame content etc. Leveling dungeons 70 and below, understandable. By level 71+, you have so many tools in your kit as both a healer and a tank there’s really no reason not to mass pull. If the dps is low, then you’ll figure that out ONCE you mass pull. You shouldn’t just automatically say “i can’t handle this omg, i’m gonna small pull.” This situation is so baffling because it’s literally the last dungeon of the expansion and people are still being enabled this way. What’s going to happen come 6.0? People aren’t comfortable with level 90 tanking? Seriously?

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Everything 71+ you can do with trusts, which will generally leave you feeling like wall to wall pulls are a bad idea. There will always be new players at 80, 90, whatever and they'll have different levels of comfort when they're first starting out. So, no use crying about it.

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Originally Posted by Titania40

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Yeah it’s genuinely surprising to me. I’ll get people in Paglthan(level 80 dungeon) who don’t know their aoe rotations, tanks who don’t know invuln exists, healers who don’t dps or are still spamming cure 1 etc. I really wish there was some hall of the veteran or something to teach these people to please read their tool tips.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Everything 71+ you can do with trusts, which will generally leave you feeling like wall to wall pulls are a bad idea. There will always be new players at 80, 90, whatever and they'll have different levels of comfort when they're first starting out. So, no use crying about it.

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Exactly, they can do it in trusts. So if they arent "comfortable" in doing it, why not just run with trusts instead of wasting 3 other players' time with it.New players at 80 and 90? The amount of time it takes to get there, people should more than know their job. You get more tools at your disposal not less.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Need to stop treating these tanks with kid gloves at some point. Like, I don't mind if a fresh 50 or 60 has a bit of trepidation towards pulling more than two groups of enemies. At level 70 I'll roll my eyes and grumble a bit, but I won't say anything. At 80 I just gotta ask, what the heck is going on? If they want to pull single packs and take their time, why not just run with trusts instead of wasting three other player's time?

SE literally introduced a new mode to allow players to run dungeons at their leisure without having to deal with other players and yet we still have to deal with single-pulling tanks in dungeons that are almost unfathomably toothless. Paglth'an is so hilariously undertuned that a Warrior can solo the entirety of it without a healer and two dps to back them up. Whether there's 3 mobs or 10, tank gameplay doesn't change. Just spam your aoe, use your cooldowns, and dodge enemy aoes.

No more excuses.

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My thoughts exactly, thank you.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Exactly, they can do it in trusts. So if they arent "comfortable" in doing it, why not just run with trusts instead of wasting 3 other players' time with it.New players at 80 and 90? The amount of time it takes to get there, people should more than know their job. You get more tools at your disposal not less.

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Why would new players know when/if/how to wall to wall pull when it's basically suicide when you're leveling, and ineffective in trusts? 80 roulettes are the first time they're confronted with that expectation, and not everyone is comfortable with it right away.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Why would new players know when/if/how to wall to wall pull when it's basically suicide when you're leveling, and ineffective in trusts? 80 roulettes are the first time they're confronted with that expectation, and not everyone is comfortable with it right away.

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I'm sorry to tell you, but If you're 80, you're not new anymore.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

There is no excuse for a tank to not mass pull in an endgame dungeon.

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There's no excuse for the healer to be a jerk about it either. I can see from the chat log that they said literally nothing - not even "hi" - before going on to pull the second group. How about starting with "Could we do big pulls?" and when the tank tells they're not comfortable offer an "Could we try one anyway? I know I can heal it."

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Originally Posted by tdb

There's no excuse for the healer to be a jerk about it either. I can see from the chat log that they said literally nothing - not even "hi" - before going on to pull the second group. How about starting with "Could we do big pulls?" and when the tank tells they're not comfortable offer an "Could we try one anyway? I know I can heal it."

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So not saying hi is being a jerk? Yes he went on to pull the second group because it should be common knowledge and expected that a tank pulls more than one group. The point is in the literal last dungeon of the expansion, people shouldn’t have to ask to do big pulls, it should be the norm.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

So not saying hi is being a jerk? Yes he went on to pull the second group because it should be common knowledge and expected that a tank pulls more than one group. The point is in the literal last dungeon of the expansion, people shouldn’t have to ask to do big pulls, it should be the norm.

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So, you make up your own rules about what should happen, don't bother to mention your made up rules to the group, then act like a jerk to everyone who doesn't follow them?

It really is fortunate that most people in the actual game aren't as unreasonable as the people on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

So, you make up your own rules about what should happen, don't bother to mention your made up rules to the group, then act like a jerk to everyone who doesn't follow them?

It really is fortunate that most people in the actual game aren't as unreasonable as the people on the forums.

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Incredible, absolutely mind boggling. In all my years of playing this game, I have never met anyone even half as delusional as you are. Arguing against the usage of essences using hilariously faulty "math" and being over the top condescending towards anyone that corrected you, defending "you pull it you tank it" mentality when a single tank aoe is more than enough to get an enemy's attention, and supporting single pulling tanks in endgame dungeons when they could just use trusts instead of wasting other players time. All while morally grandstanding and making sweeping generalizations about an entire forum at that.

I can only thank my lucky stars that I'll never end up in a party with you, because you are the very epitome of everything I aspire not to be.

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Originally Posted by tdb

There's no excuse for the healer to be a jerk about it either. I can see from the chat log that they said literally nothing - not even "hi" - before going on to pull the second group. How about starting with "Could we do big pulls?" and when the tank tells they're not comfortable offer an "Could we try one anyway? I know I can heal it."

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I didn't think it was worth mentioning that I tabbed out while I waited for everyone to accept the queue pop and when I tabbed back in the tank was already moving forward so my immediate action was to sprint and catch up. That said, sometimes I greet, sometimes I don't. I typically don't say anything in a group unless I see something in somebody's search info that's interesting, I like their glam, etc. - things of that nature. I'm kind of jaded to the whole greeting random people I'll likely never see again thing. It's reflexive to most people and it means nothing to them so I don't put much stock in somebody going "o/" or "meowdy" making them a nicer person than me.

Again, while the other people ended up siding with the tank they were right there with me running towards the 2nd pull. If one of them had hit an enemy on purpose or on accident I would have healed them because that's my role and the enemies would be attacking me and the tank wouldn't be helping because she's trying to prove a point. She couldn't even see who hit the second group anyway come to think of it, since she was around that first corner.

This kind of thing usually doesn't happen anyway since in most 80 content tanks won't pretend they're in a leveling roulette.