The decline of the community

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Kids, by nature, do not always use good judgement, even when they know what they are doing is wrong. I would know. I was one! Adults are expected to be better than that and act their age (though some never outgrow such immaturity), as well as adhere to various societal standards and laws to a much higher degree. So yeah, I'd say different punishments are largely warranted. Not saying that kids should be let off the hook for their behavior, but it comes down to what I said already. Things should be handled differently depending on the situation.

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To add to this: it's currently thought brain development (and by extension, sound decision-making ability) continues into approximately the mid-20s - with some suggestion even the 30s. So even individuals otherwise considered adults may not always be savvy in the things they do. But otherwise, I concur with what you say here.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Well it’s honestly pretty bad. Not sure if you’ve seen what gets posted in the community finder but I’ve seen at least two things that are illegal.

This is a game, not a sexual role playing website. I don’t really see why you’re all in favour of it.

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I like how the illegal RPers have ganged up on your post to get it deleted. Don't let them silence you! They are stealing our game!

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

To add to this: it's currently thought brain development (and by extension, sound decision-making ability) continues into approximately the mid-20s - with some suggestion even the 30s. So even individuals otherwise considered adults may not always be savvy in the things they do. But otherwise, I concur with what you say here.

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Piggybacking onto this just cause I felt it useful to add, drug use & alcohol use during teen years also affects brain development and can stunt growth in a way. For example, it affects the ability to control impulses, decision-making skills, the ability to plan and think ahead, etc.

I'm tentatively optimistic that if and when the server visit function is expanded to include the Japanese servers we'll see more done about the inappropriate party finder listings. Many of those responsible aren't known to be particularly tactful, nor do they boast much in the way of self restraint. From what I gather, there's more active moderation and community policing over on the Japanese servers. With that in mind, I expect it'll get a more thorough look from the development team/community managers once it starts leaking over there.

I get where everyone is coming from and I am sure each of you are speaking from personal experience and knowledge. Though I am also speaking from personal experience that this mindset that children by nature lack the personal skills / experience / knowledge to control their impulse control. To a degree I understand this but my point is that it also does not help if the benefit of the action is not outweighed by the punishment. I am all for teaching and educating early on and after the fact but the punishment has to be harsh enough to outweigh any benefit gained from commenting the action.

This is how I thought as a child, and I also as a child I did not respect any adult that treated me like a child. Those adults that were kind and thought they were understanding I just viewed them as naive suckers and took advantage of their kindness and understanding. The ones that treated me as an adult and did not put up with any of my shit were the one I respected. I think we have to change how we approach children especially in today's age cause sadly while children may lack the judgement to understand the full depth of their actions but it does not help the consequences do not often out weigh the benefits.

We have seen it first hand with his people treated covid. Though I do get my experience may differ greatly from others since I come from a place of great privilege and was able to toss said privilege around.

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Originally Posted by WoW

I like how the illegal RPers have ganged up on your post to get it deleted. Don't let them silence you! They are stealing our game!

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I don’t see why it would be deleted besides SE wanting to keep quiet the underbelly of the community in this game.

And as for mocking me, I honestly don’t care that you’re a pervert. I just question whether this is the right place for it.

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Originally Posted by Ralph2449

Oh noez people are having fun in a way some boring puritan does not approve, what will they do without a close minded person's approval D:

I rly cant take people who use that word seriously, maybe try avoid spending time in places where such words are commonly used to label literally everything you dont like.

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I really hate this just in general online.
It's like someone posts art on reddit where a female character shows one inch of cleavage, belly or legs and it's pretty much a 100% guarantee that people will be complaining about it in the comments.
Even when they don't and they're covered from neck down someone will still find a way to indirectly complain about it by being all like '' wow finally art that isn't like that other art I don't like ''.
It's as if they're incapable of just enjoying something without also being negative and throwing something else under the bus.
Same with breastplates shaped after womens chests ( I hate the term people have for it, no one labels breastplates shaped after male chests or any crazy fantasy shape like that ).
Whether they have it or don't have it, people will complain or indirectly complain about it.
I literally got so tired about it on the DnD reddit page and another DnD forum that I just stopped visiting altogether because it was legit making me mad.

Like just let ppl freaking have fun???
There's a lot of things I don't like, but I don't sit around pestering other people about it.
I don't understand what exactly compels some people to act like what they want or like is so important and everyone needs to know it and adapt to it.
Especially with art I find it extra annoying, because it reeks of narcissism when people act like their opinion is more important than the actual artist or the commissioner.

No one is entitled to have the whole world and entire industries and communities cater to them specifically 100%.
I wish people would spend more time supporting things they like instead of complaining about things they don't, it's far more productive.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Well it’s honestly pretty bad. Not sure if you’ve seen what gets posted in the community finder but I’ve seen at least two things that are illegal.

This is a game, not a sexual role playing website. I don’t really see why you’re all in favour of it.

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Tolerating something doesn't necessarily mean that you're in favor of it.

And it's a RPG.
Why is RP:ing something that has to do with sexuality so different than RP:ing anything else?
People RP all kinds of things in this game, this is really no different.

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Originally Posted by WoW

I like how the illegal RPers have ganged up on your post to get it deleted. Don't let them silence you! They are stealing our game!

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I don't even notice that these people exist outside of people complaining about them on the forum.

Wait you do not like boobie armour or bikini mail? Gasp!

I agree though to be fair the opinion of the inner circles do a degree has always had more value then one singular person or the artist if they are on the smaller scale. It only becomes moot after they have achieved their own following so to speak. My friend who is a artist put it nicely, your dream is to create your own personal echo chamber so all other critiques get muffled out. Until then sadly their voices should not matter but they do.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I don't understand what exactly compels some people to act like what they want or like is so important and everyone needs to know it and adapt to it.
Especially with art I find it extra annoying, because it reeks of narcissism when people act like their opinion is more important than the actual artist or the commissioner.
No one is entitled to have the whole world and entire industries and communities cater to them specifically 100%.
I wish people would spend more time supporting things they like instead of complaining about things they don't, it's far more productive.

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most social media enables echo chambers to form which makes said people feel more important than they are and when they manage to get someone to change something to their interest, they get a rush of adrenaline and feelings of importance and want to experience it again and thus keep asking for changes
most of those people are in my experience well off white college educated kids that have never experienced any kind of hardship, so they try to be a part of something, to feel like they have done or experienced something :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm not in favor of it per say. My main issue with it all is the PF listings. Those could probably be removed or at the very least moved to a Discord server which coordinates these things and moderates them properly. I think that would be the decent thing to do. What people do in the privacy of their own homes/chats is their business, provided nothing truly law breaking is going on. I just don't need to know about it every time I open the Party Finder. To me, that is nothing more than being obnoxious.

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Indeed - if it's out of sight, it's fine and there is no issue with it. Even a cursory visit to the Quicksand on a certain server will prove that's far from the case, though!