SE, please designate a Role Play friendly server!

PLEASE GOD DON'T LET SARONIA BE MERGED WITH BESAID

Why do people hate RP players again?

ITT: People who never played D&D or any MMO on or before EQ1.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

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Originally Posted by XStruckX

Now...I know what role-playing is and what it means to the community I guess. My question is arent we all role playing anyways? Maybe I am not in tune with the "RP community" enough to see a need for an "official role playing server". What really goes on in these servers that everyone is so PRO segregation. Maybe not complete segregation but like the person above me has all this PRO-RP stuff in signature, kinda makes me think I'm missing the point? Could someone attempt to enlighten me a to why RP'ers require their own server or at least why people think "RP'ers" need their own server.
Last time I checked we were all playing a Role-Playing game. Arent we all role-playing?

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Originally Posted by PeaceWalker

This...I want to know as well.

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Not that I would expect you to find this as it's in the middle of the thread, but I made a post earlier dealing with this.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online, not Role Playing Game. *RPG stands for Role Playing Game. *You can have an MMO that is not a Role Playing Game. *You can also have a Role Playing Game that is not an MMO. *Role Player, as used in this thread, denotes a sub sect of gamer who actively engages with others to create their own storylines in game and "act" them out through chat and gameplay. *




Role Player, as used in this thread, does not designate anyone who decides to play a game in which they control an avatar. *While that may be a true statement, the specific concept being used here is much more specific than that.

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Here's a link to the post so that you can discern the context, as I was informing and correcting another person's post at the time.

The current use of RPG as a genre reference has been used in several different ways that has little to do with the actual acronym itself, but since it is still referencing a genre of games there is no hindrance in communication. The idea is conveyed successfully so there is no need to further specify.

RPG as a genre

In the current gaming era reviewers will often cite that a certain game has RPG elements. This is a very broad term that sometimes has nothing to do with the actual words "Role Playing". An RPG element could be an experience points system, allocating resources to particular stats, or a behind the scenes "dice" roll that determines a successful action or not. These would be game mechanics that have been closely associated to Role Playing Games, but to say that they are Role Playing mechanics would be incorrect.

Role Playing in any game with a story

Assuming a role or controlling an avatar in a video game would also be considered role playing. When you control Mario in Super Mario Bros., you are controlling a character that plays a role (the protaganist) who is tasked with completing an objective (saving the princess). There's little interaction that you can do to actually affect the events in the story. You either have a win scenario (where you save the princess) or a lose scenario (where you fail to save the princess). There is still a background behind the characters seen on screen.

Non RPGs

Games that don't involve role play would be games like pong or tetris. Later iterations not withstanding. These games are much more abstract in concept and don't require a story as a mechanic in order to play. The player controls a bar to bounce a dot between another bar or manipulates geometric shapes to fit in a certain way. No story is needed.

Role Playing as an act

The act of Role Playing can be more of a focal point in table top RPG's like Dungeons and Dragons where a GM (Game Master) will create a scenario and the players will have to interact with the GM in order to play through the scenario. The player takes on a role and the rules could be much more open than, say, in Super Mario Bros. where there are only two outcomes (saving or not saving). Depending on the GM, the scenario may be put in complete control of the players as they develop their own stories based on the scenario given by the GM. As there are very few limits to human creativity, success and failure outcomes are significantly more numerous than they are in a tightly controlled scenario. In this type of role playing the person develops the story for their character. This focuses much more on the "Role Playing" aspect of the acronym RPG. This is how Role Playing, is being referenced in this thread.

Role Playing, in this instance, not only transcends video games but also games themselves. Thesbians would be considered role players. To an even further extent, Shakespeare turned us all into role players when he claimed "All the World's a stage". Some philosophers have run with the concept as well.

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Thank you. It was driving me nuts not being in any fit state or position to muster a reply to those two questions myself.

I swear, I was praying you'd chip in there. =.= Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Why do people hate RP players again?

ITT: People who never played D&D or any MMO on or before EQ1.

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I kinda harken it to "Picking on the 'nerds'"

Folks playing table-top days, used a computer for entertainment, or played Nintendo RPGs are considered "nerds" or "kids".

Game consoles become more mainstream, first-person shooters become the "Jock" of games. But if you're still playing an RPG, you're a nerd.

Final Fantasy 1 through 6, if you were playing it, you were a "nerd". If you started in on Final Fantasy 7 or 8, it was cool. It was a 3-D steam-punky RPG with bad boy leads, a trench coat samurai villain, and some guns. You were okay. If you were caught playing an 8-bit or 16-bit Final Fantasy, you were a nerd.

Then there are MUDs, later UO and Meridian 59. Which didn't really seem to spill over into the "discussion stream" the way that Everquest did. But nonetheless, considered "nerds".

World of Warcraft with the MMO refuges of DAoC, AC2, EQ2, and Battle.net crowd, things are kinda okay, but we're still "nerds" in the eyes of Judge Armande Assante. Then that blasted South Park episode comes out and suddenly it's the cool thing and everyone is into it. But if you're caught playing an MMO that no one has ever heard of or isn't mainstream, i.e. FFXIV, you're a nerd again.

And now even in FFXIV... if you roleplay... you're the odd one out.

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Pretty much ....

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Originally Posted by Serdapi

PLEASE GOD DON'T LET SARONIA BE MERGED WITH BESAID

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I kinda hope that they get merged now. lol

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Why do people hate RP players again?
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alot of them dont use any courtesy when doing it is one reason that comes to mind
standing in the most populated area in town so everyone can see them doing it even if it annoys the hell out of everyone seeing them talk and emote for pages on pages on pages

then you have idiots like Eliza Joran(if you remember it, you know exactly what im talking about) who would spam the hell out of shout nonstop roleplaying

I see a lot of people protesting the "jerk/idiot" RPers but the simple fact of the matter is, idiocy is universal. Nobody's got a corner on it. Sure, there are obnoxious RPers - just like every other category of people has obnoxious sorts. Stop and think for a moment; are you protesting roleplayers? Or annoying people who roleplay?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

alot of them dont use any courtesy when doing it is one reason that comes to mind
standing in the most populated area in town so everyone can see them doing it even if it annoys the hell out of everyone seeing them talk and emote for pages on pages on pages

then you have idiots like Eliza Joran(if you remember it, you know exactly what im talking about) who would spam the hell out of shout nonstop roleplaying

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I apologize to the Besaid community for the abomination that was Eliza Joran. To be fair though, he/she became a roleplayer. He/she did not come to the server as a role player or to even be with role players. I also did not suggest that he/she become one (as I myself am not a roleplayer), but merely suggested that he/she switch servers from Cornelia to Besaid. At the time it was perceived that there was a higher English speaking population that was decently active and vocal.

Eliza Joran, by definition, cannot be expected to be a representative of the role play community on Besaid in any way shape or form. I'd go even further to say that Eliza Joran should not be considered a representative of Besaid or even rational human beings for that matter.

Unfortunately not to mention, I can go to Ul'dah on Besaid right now and find an idiot shouting. More often than not they actually aren't associated with any role playing linkshell or community.

I saw this last night actually:

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Originally Posted by People in /shout in Ul'dah

Random Character: Watch out for incoming eruption *l )) ~~~~ pooooooot.

Another Person: And here comes another one :0 ~~~~~ <======8

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I don't think that could be attributed to a role player specifically as there is no indication that those statements would be the product of role play, yet, they're still socially reprehensible.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

I apologize to the Besaid community for the abomination that was Eliza Joran. To be fair though, he/she became a roleplayer. He/she did not come to the server as a role player or to even be with role players. I also did not suggest that he/she become one (as I myself am not a roleplayer), but merely suggested that he/she switch servers from Cornelia to Besaid. At the time it was perceived that there was a higher English speaking population that was decently active and vocal.

Eliza Joran, by definition, cannot be expected to be a representative of the role play community on Besaid in any way shape or form. I'd go even further to say that Eliza Joran should not be considered a representative of Besaid or even rational human beings for that matter.

Unfortunately not to mention, I can go to Ul'dah on Besaid right now and find an idiot shouting. More often than not they actually aren't associated with any role playing linkshell or community.

I saw this last night actually:



I don't think that could be attributed to a role player specifically as there is no indication that those statements would be the product of role play, yet, they're still socially reprehensible.

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the shouting you mention isnt what im talking about, im talking about RPists going full on in shout, real ones