The conpainon app

Do NOT touch my coffee. Hiss.

I can't stand coffee anyways lol.

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Originally Posted by LunaP

Ugh don't get me started on clipping lol, I agree 100% though, and 99% of any clipping issues are instantly whisked off to the "Working as intended we totally verified w/ the Dev's" section of the forums despite how much evidence or information you give/people complaining. I get whats said on these forums has to be picked up and sent over to the JP side, but I feel like information on forums gets easily dismissed as of late. Not to mention the increase of people that move to Reddit or other forums to vent since even suggestions/non heated discussions tend to get removed for reasons idk.

The only thing I even cared for w/ this app was the additional Retainer since I have 9... chocobo bag was an extra perk but you guys reminded me of the cost per retainer in mogstation, so I don't see why an extra 3$ is only giving me half the retainer space ( choco bag) and just 8 additional kupo nut storage lol, to some 3$ isn't a huge deal but to many others it can be, especially when it can be put else where.

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If it was 3 dollars, one time fee, that may not be an issue, or at least not an issue with most. The issue is 2 dollars a month per retainer, with 7 of them, adding to 14 dollars a month, plus 5 dollars for the app, plus 2 more dollars for another retainer per month. Then you have to think about the overcharging on the mog station, then the overcharging of the microtransactions of the app.... They are basically double dipping at this point, putting a F2P model on top of a sub model, that isn't right

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Originally Posted by Hamada

If it was 3 dollars, one time fee, that may not be an issue, or at least not an issue with most. The issue is 2 dollars a month per retainer, with 7 of them, adding to 14 dollars a month, plus 5 dollars for the app, plus 2 more dollars for another retainer per month. Then you have to think about the overcharging on the mog station, then the overcharging of the microtransactions of the app.... They are basically double dipping at this point, putting a F2P model on top of a sub model, that isn't right

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For the record the cost itself doesn't bother me but I was saying mainly for others that are affected by it but this is news. I was under the impression that the 5$ premium COVERED the additional retainer + Saddle bag expansion monthly... so you're saying its gonna be 5$ + 2 $ so 7$ for an additional retainer? Are you sure? Like I know it says in the Premium service you get an additional retainer but does it mention that it only unlocks the option to purchase one? Because the wording leads one to believe that you simply gain it automatically. This would be great to drill on.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

The title itself does not guarantee the same amount of seniority as other people in the company sometimes. So, until he states directly that he kind of screwed up himself, I'm going to just generalize and say it's the people at the very top of the company itself that controls the shareholders, accounting, net gains, etc.

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I think you might be right, but for me at least I dont really care if its Yoshida (I still have problems with his decisions about certain content) or higher ups. Such greedy actions make me sour towards a huge part of the company and really makes me question how much money I should give them. In the past I sometimes bought merchandise (like the carbuncles or the lore book) but right now I dont feel like they truly deserve it and wont buy the second book. Thus they lost income. Sadly as long as the income from the app or other parts are bigger than the loss we cant do much about it.

Also the problem is not always the amount of money it costs. If you have a normal income you will probably be able to spent the money on the app. But the problem comes with it being only the first step and that suddenly they are able to give us more space if we buy it. Thus why should they truly give us more space for free, if people are willing to buy it? And the sad part is, that there was already a sentence after they told us about the app, that pointed out that more might come in the future..so who knows what will be put behind the paywall later.

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Originally Posted by LunaP

I can't stand coffee anyways lol.

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I’m a bit of an oddball when it comes to coffee. I like the smell of it, but I can’t stand drinking it.

For the topic itself, since I’m here, I personally don’t see myself using this app a lot. I only downloaded it for the extra favorite destination thing it gives you just for having the app on your phone. Other then that, I like to think that I manage my inventory well enough to continue getting by with just two retainers and one saddlebag. So freemium app it is. Maybe in the future, if I ever truly start to have inventory issues, I’ll consider it. But I doubt that time will ever come for me. I mean, I’ve gotten this far with just two retainers. May as well see how far I can go.

The chat function is a joke, especially when guildworks had something way better YEARS ago.
Event planner? my phone has a calendar already...
Can't mess with my inventory half as well as Destiny 2's app, which is the only other game companion I've really used

The only functions as of right now that are of any use whatsoever is the the ability to undercut people on the MB while on break, and the extra inventory space and retainers to facilitate it.
I feel like this app exists solely to make earning honest gil a little harder and I hate it.

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Originally Posted by LunaP

For the record the cost itself doesn't bother me but I was saying mainly for others that are affected by it but this is news. I was under the impression that the 5$ premium COVERED the additional retainer + Saddle bag expansion monthly... so you're saying its gonna be 5$ + 2 $ so 7$ for an additional retainer? Are you sure? Like I know it says in the Premium service you get an additional retainer but does it mention that it only unlocks the option to purchase one? Because the wording leads one to believe that you simply gain it automatically. This would be great to drill on.

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It may not bother you, but it bothers me, seeing we are paying all this money for no reason. To give you a prospective, it would be like.. oh lets say McDonalds, getting a hamburger for 1.99 pretty standard and acceptable, while asking you if you like fries for 7 dollars more, then a coke for 5 dollars more, you are not exactly getting the value for your money. Same with this. With this game is built off all the recycling content, the endless treadmill since ARR, you are not getting the quality you expect for these prices. If the game was much higher quality, for example given us everything FFXI had to offer and more, having a true feel content for everyone, more battle grounds then wow has for pvp, so on, then the price would not bother me. With these prices though, they are clearly putting minimum effort for a premium cost, higher then any MMO i know of, with this double dipping of both sub model and F2P, one needs to question, are they really just milking the player base at that point? I think they are, and I am offended they are trying to push this far with it. So why does not bother you? You don't consider this may stop some from playing causing a smaller playerbase?

For the app question, I am not sure if we know 100% as we know SE has translation problems, but based on the current wording, yes it would be 7 dollars total for the app + retainer.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

If it was 3 dollars, one time fee, that may not be an issue, or at least not an issue with most. The issue is 2 dollars a month per retainer, with 7 of them, adding to 14 dollars a month, plus 5 dollars for the app, plus 2 more dollars for another retainer per month. Then you have to think about the overcharging on the mog station, then the overcharging of the microtransactions of the app.... They are basically double dipping at this point, putting a F2P model on top of a sub model, that isn't right

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The retainer is free at no additional charge, according to the premium list in the app. Here is the exact text: "Hire an extra retainer in-game for no additional cost."

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

No I don't. Gil isnt winning anything. I guess I've payed to win for years if we gonna say retainers is pay to win lmao.

Aside from teleporting what do you guys spend your gil on that you wouldn't be able to craft?

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On the day when patch 4.4 get released, as always, I will burn alot of gil (for some I know it takes between 80 and 100 million of Gil) to overmeld my crafter gear with the new required stats to be able to craft the 4 star recipes. Overmeldung eats alot of materia. 50-100 fails for slot 4 and 5 in every piece of gear are sadly a normal thing in this game.

I will also buy some mats I have no time to gather it myself, which I had to throw away because of no storage space available, as I need to get my battle gear for Alphascape Savage ready as fast as possible. With my current new group we plan to finish Alphascape Savage within the first three weeks, so I will also spend alot of Gil to overmeld this too.

New bufffood and pots are also incoming. I have both specialists ready for this. But right after the beginning, I will not have the time to gather all mats for it.

When my own preparation is done, I can start to produce stuff to sell. At this point I do minimize the amount of gil I spend for mats. But there is sometimes stuff you can only get for tomes or other currencies than gil, which I also would buy with gil from the market board, when the time needed to collect it is to much for me.

When you only play casual in this game, than gil is not really winning much for you. But when you play competitive, Gil is a thing and so additional retainers are an advantage.

Btw: I also needed alot of gil to be successfull at the "Shirogane Savage house buying" run. And finally I got the most expensive size L plot around 15 mins after the servers gone online.