Warriors need MORE damage

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Originally Posted by Scyn

1) wrong - try again.
2) just because world first used a drk doesn’t suddenly validiate your argument. Btw world second had a warrior :).
3) lol ya ok. That sounds like a viable way of buffing a class. Thank god you aren’t in charge of class balance.

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1."wrong try again" such an intelligent and well written response from someone who told me to give "valid response"
2.it is because the similarity is that world 1st,2nd,3rd all have PLD, it is PLD who is mandatory not WAR. WAR being in the meta because DRK is currently bad, PLD is in the meta because they're better than the other 2 tank.removing a WAR from your party doesn't have as much effect as removing PLD because of how much a PLD can bring on the table
3.and i'm glad it's not you who is in charge either, we can't have someone who has clear hostility towards a certain job to be in charge of class balance isn't it?

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Originally Posted by shao32

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second WAR is not interchangeable,having a WAR the battle will be lot more easy with is that already does, the number of parsers on that fight prove that.
and thirt WAR dont needs buff, more they need nerfs in some things, i dont really care if they get QoL changes as longer those dont buff they already king performance for the baby WARS how cant manage the job, the only job who needs buffs is DRK, WAR is already on par to PLD and they surpass it on many things.

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WAR are DRK are still interchangeable even if WAR is better than them. look at world 1st,2nd and 3rd of unending bahamut clear, what is the similarity between them? all of them has PLD in their team but not all of them has WAR and the reason of that is not including a WAR in your team isn't as detrimental as not including a PLD in your team
as long as PLD still has that luxury i say buffing the other 2 tank is indeed justified

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

WAR are DRK are still interchangeable even if WAR is better than them. look at world 1st,2nd and 3rd of unending bahamut clear, what is the similarity between them? all of them has PLD in their team but not all of them has WAR and the reason of that is not including a WAR in your team isn't as detrimental as not including a PLD in your team
as long as PLD still has that luxury i say buffing the other 2 tank is indeed justified

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You keep mentioning UCoB World First. The dude who was the clearing DRK wasn't even a tank. None of his tanks were at 70 when he was asked to tank for their group. He played DRK because it was fun. Have you checked the current number of clears for UCoB and seen how many people went as PLD/WAR versus PLD/DRK? Or is "world first" the end-all-be-all for you?
Stop trying to justify the situation with a logical fallacy.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

You keep mentioning UCoB World First. The dude who was the clearing DRK wasn't even a tank. None of his tanks were at 70 when he was asked to tank for their group. He played DRK because it was fun. Have you checked the current number of clears for UCoB and seen how many people went as PLD/WAR versus PLD/DRK? Or is "world first" the end-all-be-all for you?
Stop trying to justify the situation with a logical fallacy.

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again i repeat, i know WAR and PLD is the meta, but what i'm talking about is how important PLD is compared to the other tank, you can do PLD+ DRK or WAR. but not DRK+WAR
not having PLD is worse for the team than not having DRK or WAR
i'm bringing world 1st,2nd,3rd to point out that WAR isn't as important as people say they are because without them you can still compete for world 1st,i doubt you can do that without PLD

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

again i repeat, i know WAR and PLD is the meta, but what i'm talking about is how important PLD is compared to the other tank, you can do PLD+ DRK or WAR. but not DRK+WAR
not having PLD is worse for the team than not having DRK or WAR
i'm bringing world 1st,2nd,3rd to point out that WAR isn't as important as people say they are because without them you can still compete for world 1st,i doubt you can do that without PLD

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*sigh*
Yes there is a serious issue when the combo of War+Drk is not seen, if at all, then not often enough. It's arguable that it's not worth it to run without a PLD as one of the tanks. That should be the focus of any arguments made. Frankly screw UCoB #th clear, those aren't relevant to the topic of "making War/[either] just as viable as Pld/[either] and Drk/[either]." Instead, if you really want to use UCoB, focus instead on "what tanks are being taken, what is the rest of the party comp, how are they using their skills," and other things pertinent to actual tank balance, not player skill.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

It is not my problem or my fault that SE decides to unreasonably buff WAR, frankly my faith in their ability to even balance this content has already evaporated after their clear lack of shits given in stormblood as well as the broken promise of tank balance > new tank. ... This is literally a team focused PvE game so the constant flaming between the tanks is honestly completely illogical.

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This quote is very underrated. Here is the kicker, I don't think SE/devs have anyone to blame for this but themselves. This is what happens when you don't listen to your player base and let super classes rage on for an expansion with no adjustments. Favoritism from developers, percieved or (in this case) not, creates animosity in the player base.

The devs ignoring the dark knight complaints, and telling us the balance is fine with no explanation other than #worldfirst, is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALALALALALALALALALALA. Of course that will annoy people.

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

WAR are DRK are still interchangeable even if WAR is better than them.

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Lets pretend there's 3 people in a fictional world.
Their names are PLD, WAR and DRK.

PLD makes $300 a month
WAR makes $200 a month
DRK makes $100 a month

Only 2 people can live in an available house.

The rent is $400 a month.

So, yes, PLD can interchangably bring either WAR or DRK as their roomate.
Yes, WAR and DRK can not be roomates and afford rent.

The problem isnt about viability of WAR+DRK compisitions, but bringing DRK up to WARs position. (and if DRK makes $200 a month, then a WAR/DRK combo would be enough.)
The issue isnt about the ability to clear the content, but to BALANCE the classes to eachother. (Currently, the way Ultimate is set up, it's like making rent $300 a month instead of $400, rather than giving DRK a raise up to $200 a month.)
Ultimate is set up to simply make encounters not need part of your toolkit. (There wasnt enough mitigation requirements, DPS requirements, or party mitigation requirements, for DRK to be left out.)
They lowered its requirements to meet DRKs standards. (So its like DRK is still $100 and PLD is still $300. We're asking for balance of the classes, not the encounters.)


Also, SE tries every party combination, to make sure all combinations CAN clear content.
So technically a WAR/DRK combo was able to beat it, before we even got our hands on it. (Same with PLDs in HW being able to clear content.)

So the logical next step, is to make the tanks either
(1) Equal in what they can do
or
(2) offer at least ONE specialty over another tank

(When WAR didnt have the new shake it off, it was an argument, that MAYBE DRK was worth bringing over WAR, because of TBN. Of course that would be silly, but there was enough arguments for it. Now its arguments of WAR vs PLD, and who cares about DRK)

Honestly, after doing savage content, and more so O3S and O4S, if I ABSOLUTELY HAD to have a DRK, but the last spot could be any tank, I'd honestly pick a WAR over PLD.
Its a VERY tough call, but I'm more comfortable with a skilled WAR.

If I pugged it, then I would go with a PLD, as an unskilled PLD I feel will do better than a mediocre WAR.
So imo, no, WAR really isnt "that far behind PLD".

war was only on the 2nd world first clear? wut... war needs buff now!... (a blm was finally on the 20th clear, ... delete blm now!)

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

war was only on the 2nd world first clear? wut... war needs buff now!... (a blm was finally on the 20th clear, ... delete blm now!)

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that joke was already made.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

that joke was already made.

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Pretty sure it was in the Patch notes. Going to check the live letter.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Job Adjustments
We'll be making job adjustments in Patch 4.2 as well. We're planning to adjust things like deleting black mage, and usability of warriors. We'll be going over the details in the second part of the Patch 4.2 special.

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(just playing around, dont hate me Bayohne lol xD )