Just a thought on Elezen.

just a side by side comparison on adolescent elezen npcs vs alisaie:

https://i.gyazo.com/f7d0e4d321bd0e47...f856e310f4.png

https://i.gyazo.com/7d62ebb49c8d0676...9cc547e346.png


the difference is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

...So here you acknowledge the problem....

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... I acknowledged the problem on page 6, YESTERDAY, so now I'm just gonna to run under the assumption you aren't actually reading half the responses in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

There is absolutely no way that this argument can resolve because it's entirely based on opinion and personal taste.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

...and here you throw it all aboard and go back to making your own assumptions sound like facts. Apart from that, I never said "standard human", I said "normal".
Normal in terms of other races, or, if youd like to insist I'm refering to "standard human", Hyur.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

Normal in terms of other races

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Why are you holding any race to the standards of normalcy of the other races? Are roegadyn not 'normal' because they don't have an Au Ra's horns? Is a miqo'te not 'normal' because the other races don't have a furry tail?
It's a fantasy world, we fight dragons, and demons, and angry animated balls of moss. 'Normal' doesn't enter into the friggin picture.

I have to admit I have never stared at the twins and the young Elezen NPCs enough to notice that, but as Alisaie/Alphinaud are meant to be on the older side and the generic Elezen children range from 'cheeky urchin no older than ten' to 'in full time employment and probably about to grow up at any second', I would put it down more to the team cutting corners to avoid making different models for different maturity levels, and wanting to make Alisaie/Alphinaud conventionally pretty as major NPCs.

It's worth noting that Alisaie/Alphinaud are canonically 'north ocean Elezen' rather than Duskwight/Wildwood too, according to the lore book.

The long neck there is hidden by his outfit, but his shoulders doesn't stretch out across the world nor does alisaie's.
semi off topic: game is in dire need of CC revamp. not just some proportional help with the elezen but nearly everyone looks damn near same. the miqote girls literally all look like they have the same exact face. aura with missed opportunity with mix and match with horns and faces. I thought with ps3 dropped, they could play with more things...but it feels like all we got was extra inventory space. the cc is so bare bones right now. hell, even maple story has more cc than we do. it's kinda ridiculous

This topic comes up constantly and even came up in beta.

The Elezen should be both pretty and yet not another "human with different ears" like we've seen with the miqote and au ra. Even though I tend to draw them as such. I'm not sure I would be play with such a change unless I had far more freedom with the character creator, as it is essentially telling me "Kallera Etoile, as she is, needs to die to satisfy the miqote horde." Which I am not ok with, at all.

There will always be a certain race that is a minority, why is it such a problem that it is the elezen?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I love the way Elezen look and have never fantasia'd to anything else. I've known very tall people and to be honest thier proportions have been very similar (long and lanky). I don't mean to sound curt but not everyone is tiny and cute. I love how this game gives options as far as esthetic, body type, and emote personality. Elezen check all my boxes so I'll likely always be one, though fem-roe has always tempted me away ;).

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Originally Posted by Kallera

There will always be a certain race that is a minority, why is it such a problem that it is the elezen?

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Because people love, and have always loved, playing tall humans with pointy ears. Actually, hardly even the height, people just want the ears (hence all the people clamouring to look like Hilda after HW was released.) They hate that the ears they love are locked in with a weird body, so they want it changed.

Honestly, if SE gave Hyurs a pointy ear option, I bet all these complaints about elezen would disappear.

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Originally Posted by seida

Because people love, and have always loved, playing tall humans with pointy ears. Actually, hardly even the height, people just want the ears (hence all the people clamouring to look like Hilda after HW was released.) They hate that the ears they love are locked in with a weird body, so they want it changed.

Honestly, if SE gave Hyurs a pointy ear option, I bet all these complaints about elezen would disappear.

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Heh, yeah - look at World of Warcraft and Blood Elf population. :p

I've some issues with practically every race in this game, for example Hyur midlander running animation - but I just try to play races that has least problems in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by BlueLulu

Aaaaa seeing what female au ra could've been makes me feel depressed at what we actually got ;-;. :(

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Never Forget (credit:EliezelaShinjae)
https://i.imgur.com/9W0FmRw.png

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Originally Posted by DarkSlayerGrimm

Never Forget (credit:EliezelaShinjae)

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THIS! Exactly this! I joined in HW and the "dragon people" were what drew me to play the game. I was really excited to play one until I saw the females and went "nope!" (My husband was rolling a male so I wanted to be sappy and be a pair together). I was really upset and rolled Elezen instead. Now my husband is a handsome Wildwood to match my Duskweight :).

Moral of the story: not everyone finds the same astetic appealing.