Stop queuing for PotD if you don't intend to DPS at all.

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

Are we on the same page here? You just confused me.


Anything over +40 Arms in the floors 80-100's is totally gonna make the run faster. Especially when you have party members who can split up and cover rooms.


Unless you can convince me a party of 4 +40 arms will clear the run in the same duration as a +99. I don't buy it.

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A group of 2 sch, a pld, and a blm, all around +43 arms/armor: 90-100 took about 24 minutes.

Another group of 2 drg a pld and a blm all around mid 90s, though the pld had a +87 weapon: About 24 minutes for completion, 90-100.

Both runs used 5 strength and 3 Rages.

Of course, this is just what I've seen on my own runs as pld, but I don't see any time difference.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

A group of 2 sch, a pld, and a blm, all around +43 arms/armor: 90-100 took about 24 minutes.

Another group of 2 drg a pld and a blm all around mid 90s, though the pld had a +87 weapon: About 24 minutes for completion, 90-100.

Both runs used 5 strength and 3 Rages.

Of course, this is just what I've seen on my own runs as pld, but I don't see any time difference.

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The math doesn't add up. We have the ability to have +80 arms for a reason. For those two to have the same time in your experience. The latter had to be inexperienced or not seasoned yet to complete the duty.

I still don't buy it.

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

We have the ability to have +80 arms for a reason.

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Well, you're not wrong. The reason is so that it's easier to acquire multiple Kinnas if you so desire.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

A group of 2 sch, a pld, and a blm, all around +43 arms/armor: 90-100 took about .

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Lol wtf this has got to be the shittiest evidence i've seen, one reason why this game needs a friggin dps meter.

1. POTD runs are not directly comparable, the random generation of mobs, traps and even required mobs to progress means you cant simply say it makes no difference. How would you know if the sch pt gpt a string of good floors whereas the 87+ group got crap spawns?

2. Unless the players were equally skilled you also can't compare. The gap between trash tier and decent is huge. This alone can mean minutes on the clear time

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

There's one issue I can see & that's people who are on ACN/SCH or AST & either haven't levelled CNJ or don't have Cleric Stance cross classed.

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This is impossible because SCH need CNJ to level up until level 30 15.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

It's my sub, I'll play how I want.

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It's my sub, I'll kick people who can't work as team

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

You haven't seen my runs. \o\ It doesn't work as well as you claim. /o/



Passable doesn't mean it's wanted. Especially if they're hardly doing a scratch. (Both Healing and DPSING) Let alone there is less room for error since their arms is extremely low. Ultimately leading to his/her quick death at the boss when they make a mistake.


If you're comfortable with +40's in a floor thats 2x their arms level fine. Just know there are voices like mine who aren't and would rather not go through the pain of having one in the party again.

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When I first enter PoTD from 51-100 as WHM my stat are worse (Because I trade to padjal weapon before) like until floor 91 it's still around +41 (I forgot the exact number), yet my team didn't complain. I'm just doing my best to maintain people's HP and spam holy for the AoE stun.

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Originally Posted by Eul

This is impossible because SCH need CNJ to level up until level 30.

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Level 15 not 30 lol

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Level 15 not 30 lol

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Oh right I'll fix my post then :3

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Originally Posted by Eul

When I first enter PoTD from 51-100 as WHM my stat are worse (Because I trade to padjal weapon before) like until floor 91 it's still around +41 (I forgot the exact number), yet my team didn't complain. I'm just doing my best to maintain people's HP and spam holy for the AoE stun.

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That doesn't mean anything. I don't say anything when I see someone with such arms, as much as I'm not comfortable with them in the party. Although I will tell them if they try to heal "You don't need to heal me, you can focus on dps". For obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by Eul

This is impossible because SCH need CNJ to level up until level 30 15.

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If you noticed I said ACN/SCH or AST. You can be ACN or AST without even looking at CNJ & all three (AST, ACN & SCH) allow you to be a healer without cross class Cleric Stance. Nothing I posted was necessarily incorrect. Yes, you require to have got to lvl15 CNJ to get the SCH soul crystal but that's trivial if you've been running PoTD.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

If you noticed I said ACN/SCH or AST. You can be ACN or AST without even looking at CNJ & all three (AST, ACN & SCH) allow you to be a healer without cross class Cleric Stance. Nothing I posted was necessarily incorrect. Yes, you require to have got to lvl15 CNJ to get the SCH soul crystal but that's trivial if you've been running PoTD.

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buuuuut ACN isn't a healer, it's a DD. and ACN is also not even able to crossclass cleric stance.