Proportionate Bodies

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

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About your cosplay situation.. In the game the bust size of characters is very inconsistent. It's really noticeable.

With some tops it seems as the the bust has a locked size. Like the tantra wrap. Then you have coatees. Which seem to make your boobs real big xD. So that can be why your character's SMN top doesn't match your bust.

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

..you really wanna pull the 'christian' card into this? You're refering to a game that openly uses black magic *gasp* and yet said christian gets offended over the request for a simply more natural female form? Your arguement of oversexuality was laughable before...but now you've shot it dead center in the foot with that nonsense.

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As for this "natural women" comment earlier, I'm not sure what your idea of average is but it can't be far from what we have right? Hopefully? If not..two can play at that game. I'm upset with the male models. I want to play something hot. They need to make the men have more natural bodies. Like The Rock and John Cena please.

Me just luv how 90% of the Miqo's in the room suddenly took my 'more natural female form' comment personal and immediately went on the defensive. Thats......informative. So lets try a better phrase: "Additional natural female forms." There.

You know whats soooo damn awesome about the female body (and by extension, the male)? Its that it allows SOOOOO much room for variety. Tall, short, thick, skinny, petite, voluptuous, athletic, plump, lanky, buff, etc. God, mother nature, w/e you choose to subscribe to...saw fit to throw the '1-size-fits-all' rule out the window and let the gates of possibility wide open.

Yoshi and the game devs....didn't.

THATS what the issue is about. By not allowing more sliders (not just butt, breast, or package sliders..im talking arms, waist, tummy, hips, thighs, calves, etc as well) Yoshi and devs tried to make a grand generalization (regardless of the race/species really...except lalas) Namely..Petite. Judging by the overwhelming number of Miqos and Auras running around, many accepted this. But not ALL. Why should I have to settle for staring at a petite, flatchested chick (excuse me...girl or woman) when the tech for something more to my liking is possible?

All we're asking for is the ability to better customize our characters according to our personal liking. The slim/ zero-hip/waist type we now have access to, however 'natural' it may be....is not the 'only' type that exists, and we're just asking for this to be reflected. Who wants to go out for chinese, and rice is the only thing on the menu, mexican..and only taco shells. Variety is what makes it enjoyable, not just 1 size fits all.

What really cracks me up though is that 'oversexualized' term being tossed around. If its a straight flat line...its ok. If said flatline should swell...zomg..itz SEX! ...Please. The way things are currently, FF14 couldnt be oversexualized if everyone got a succabus costume in the mog mailbox. 'Jiggle mechanics are just obscene.' Riiight, because in reality and the real world, gravity is an absolute respectable gentlemen to any pleasantly-blessed woman who decides to skip wearing a bra on a reasonably hot day while hurrying along to her destination. I guess next you'll argue the 'rain/water getting clothes wet and reflecting light' mechanic is too erotic. And righteous sweet damnation on any lala female with dreams of oneday being allowed by the devs to fill out the upper portion of her cute maid outfit or Hyur who humbly requests just 2 more tactically located pixels on her red swim top. We'll have reached outright blasphemy by that point, no?

All these "Butts will make this game even more sexualized!" comments are really getting stale... FF14 is so tame, what game are they playing? ;_;

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Originally Posted by Eimian_Eda

All these "Butts will make this game even more sexualized!" comments are really getting stale... FF14 is so tame, what game are they playing? ;_;

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My fav comment was the one where we "get off" on our characters cuz we want our 1.x models back (/sarcasm) lolol its like...wat.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

A calamity of massive proportions!
There's a joke to be made here about the sliders working properly, but you need to actually be a lala to notice... :3
I thought it was the opposite...
Japan being more comfortable with sensuality compared to the west...

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I Know few lala's that QQ about it xD

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Originally Posted by Atoli

But the slider is working :0
It is actually very obvious when not wearing any heavy gear (between 0 and 100 it goes from no chest to flat but definitely existing boobies).
Even underneath light armor you can see the difference o.o
No idea what people are complaining about.

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yup So true. /sips coffee on election day

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

They're working professionals - Christians - People with small chidren and morally conscience individuals that have the RIGHT to enjoy this game without people like you telling them to grow up and get over it.

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If you are 'Christian-sensitive' then this game's rating is probably not for you to begin with. Below is taken directly from ESRB.ORG

Pay close attention to the bolded statements, some of which are quotes taken directly from the gameplay.

FINAL FANTASY XIV
Rating Category: T: Teen

Content Descriptors: Alcohol Reference, Animated Blood, Language, Suggestive Themes, Violence

Other: Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (Windows PC, PlayStation 3)

Rating Summary:
This is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) in which players navigate a large cast of characters that engage in missions and fight the forces of evil. Players explore environments (e.g., cities, plains, caves) and battle human and fantasy creatures. Players use swords, spears, axes, firearms, and magic spells (e.g., fire balls, energy beams) to defeat enemies in real-time combat. Cutscenes depict a man being stabbed from behind, and creatures emitting splashes of purple or yellow blood when struck. Some female characters are depicted from low camera angles, with lingering camera views of their buttocks (i.e., up-skirt shots). Dialogue contains suggestive references; for example, "The netmaster's probably up in his office polishing the mast just thinking about her," "stick yer manhood in the forge," and "You cheating little whore!" Several characters are referred to as drunk or drunken, while others sometimes talk about wine, rum, and grog. The word "sh*t" can be heard in the dialogue.

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Originally Posted by Lithe

I 100% agree! I want different hairstyles and different eye options. I'm also really sick of people asking for butt sliders! I never understood how people can get off on pixels >_>

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We're not asking for this so we can get off on our characters. We just want them to look better. Besides men need their equipment as well.

Y'know I was playing last night and I noticed that alot of the female primals have bigger butts and breasts. The succubi even have these better bodies. So I know that they have no problems making these. So why not the characters we play.

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Originally Posted by Lithe

I 100% agree! I want different hairstyles and different eye options. I'm also really sick of people asking for butt sliders! I never understood how people can get off on pixels >_>

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What I'm saying is just my opinion, but: I don't think that the people posting in this thread about wanting butt sliders (or more body sliders, in general) are asking for them so that they can "get off" to their virtual character. I want a butt slider for my main character so she can have more curves and volume. Just because I want her to not look like a stick, or not be top-heavy, does not make me a pervert. It's unfortunate that people correlate wanting more body sliders for more variety with being perverts.

We already get 3-4 new hairstyles every major patch. And I'm sure they will add more with the release of 3.5 and 4.0. Most races have several different eye options already. I'm all for them expanding upon the character creation and adding more features to it. But I'm not liking how us asking for body sliders are being accused of being perverts, or how people want us to "respect" how they may be offended by seeing virtual characters with non-pancake butts and "jigglies" (boob physics already exist in this game) running around. I don't go out of my way to try and blatantly offend people, but I disagree with the notion that those of us with different opinions should just remain silent to placate those who would be "offended" by them.

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Originally Posted by Lithe

I never understood how people can get off on pixels >_>

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I don't think you understand the point of wanting body sliders at all, we just want to have actual body types instead of painfully unrealistic twiggy bodies.