CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Because I enjoy nuking as a mage but I hate everything about THM.

So yeah I feel pretty screwed.

(Just to be clear, I assumed as soon as they removed AoE toggle on cures and gave CNJ the only AoE cure that they would probably be the healer class. I was just hoping SE would pleasantly surprise me. Today I've learned never to hope for anything from SE...)

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So SE should have designed the job system purely to suit your individual preferences?

I understand you're disappointed, but what exactly would you rather them have done? Go the other way to please you, and then piss off another whole heap of players?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

How did this "screw people over" ?

SE never said one class or the other would be one job or the other, alot of people made those false assumptions. Seems fairly unintelligent to blame SE for that.

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Especially when it takes less then a week to get any Class to 50. I've said it for months THM would be BLM but I still leveled CNJ first (Because I actually like healing). Regardless though, answer this. Out of the lat 10 or so groups that you've done (general question) as a CNJ. What role did you play? Were you the nuker and the THM sitting in the group the healer? Granted as THM I always back up heal when needed. Patch 1.18 pretty much gave everyone the chance to get THM to 50 when they should've known CNJ was going to be, our little whm.

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Originally Posted by blythe

So SE should have designed the job system purely to suit your individual preferences?

I understand you're disappointed, but what exactly would you rather them have done? Go the other way to please you, and then piss off another whole heap of players?

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I'm sorry if people thought a job based around enfeebling should ever be a nuking class? Where this logic came from I'll never understand either. A class that get TWO nukes (two tier 1, two tier two) in their entire freaking arsenal (no wait, Shadowsear so 3) is chosen to be the nuking class over a job that has 6 tier ones, 6 tier two, and 6 ancient magic spells along with 6 tier one elemental enfeebles and 6 tier two.

That...makes...so much sense!

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I'm sorry if people thought a job based around enfeebling should ever be a nuking class? Where this logic came from I'll never understand either. A class that get TWO nukes (two tier 1, two tier two) in their entire freaking arsenal (no wait, Shadowsear so 3) is chosen to be the nuking class over a job that has 6 tier ones, 6 tier two, and 6 ancient magic spells.

That...makes...so much sense!

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Again your making ASSumptions, and claiming it makes no sense because you were mistaken. Every other spell thay have besides the 10 % you mention are WHM spells.....how does that 10% deem them BLM ?

PS: Why are people still argueing over this stupid subject. It is what it is, if you don't have THM leveled, take a couple hours out of your day standing in Ul'dah and go group. Next week you will have a 50 THM and everything will be just fine.

You only need 30 THM at most anyways =P

How could you not see this coming? Conjurer gets Curaga 2 :P

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Again your making ASSumptions, and claiming it makes no sense because you were mistaken. Every other spell thay have besides the 10 % you mention are WHM spells.....how does that 10% deem them BLM ?

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And how many of THMs spells are nukes?

A hell of a lot less than 10%.

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Originally Posted by Kopuno

PS: Why are people still argueing over this stupid subject. It is what it is, if you don't have THM leveled, take a couple hours out of your day standing in Ul'dah and go group. Next week you will have a 50 THM and everything will be just fine.

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It's really not even about the time it'll take to level since, as Este said, you'll probably not even need 50 THM anyways.

It's that I don't want to play THM for any reason. I don't like their lore, the story, the spells, the concept. I have never liked anything about THM, even when they had AoE cures and it sucks that SE is giving the DD mage role to a class that has NEVER, EVER been about damage. Even way back when (in Tanaka's days) THM was an Enfeebler and back up healer. It feels kind of like Yoshi just got up one morning as was like "Ok, CNJ = healer, THM = Nuker. My work is done!"

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

And how many of THMs spells are nukes?

A hell of a lot less than 10%.

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Maybe you never played FF games before, but BLM had more then nukes. They have negative status effects and debuffs, and WHM raditionally have CURE, shell, protect, and other buffs, as well as the status effect negators (paralyna, silena..and so on).