For those who don`t get the problem with red scrips...

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Originally Posted by Lewtz

No fix for you! Please look forward to it " Yoshi"

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Lol... you made me chuckle and I feel the pain as well.

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Originally Posted by MatthiasS

I was a 2.X Omnicrafter in max-melded Artisan's.

Now....I can't even. I can barely afford turn-ins for blue scrips. Sure, I can take GSM or CUL to 60 and wait for the cheap lure or the Marion Glas or whatever it is called.

But...DAMN, SE. Seriously. I thought 20 mil going into the expansion was plenty. NOPE. ALL DA NOPE.

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I started 3.0 with a similar amount of gil, and within 2 weeks I had not only 8/8 DoH to lv60 with M3 books, but also 3/3 DoL lv60... and I have managed to make back most of my costs within the past month. The secret? Gathering your own materials and not being ashamed to ask a few friends to help you out.

In fact, I often bartered my crafting skills in exchange for some materials I needed at the time.

One thing so many people overlook are the GC hand ins... A starred HQ item can net you up to half a level of exp!! (not joking, I've got up to 1.8m exp from a single hand in)

Could I have leveled my crafts even faster? sure.. if I wanted to dump even more money into it.. but my DoLs levelled rather painlessly just gathering materials I needed for DoH, GC hand ins and collectables!

EDIT: I wont lie... having leveled retainers also helped out A LOT for certain materials (looking at you ltw....)

Don't forget that when you run a dungeon for esoterics, you pay 200k gil for it and give up to chance to gain anythinig but the esoterics from it.

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Originally Posted by Adera

Don't forget that when you run a dungeon for esoterics, you pay 200k gil for it and give up to chance to gain anythinig but the esoterics from it.

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And with a streak of bad luck you can completely fail and get nothing for your effort.

The clearest message you can send: Ditch crafting until they resolve this mess.
Nothing speaks to a developer like the players refusing to interact with content they deem unworthy of their time.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

The clearest message you can send: Ditch crafting until they resolve this mess.
Nothing speaks to a developer like the players refusing to interact with content they deem unworthy of their time.

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Really, this. I'm not crafting outside of getting my red scrips for the week (and this is only because ALC is piss easy with my gear) and supplying myself with food and potions, neither of which are particularly trying.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Most crafters in one of my crafting linkshells have decided to plainly stop their progression. Nothing to strive for on this patch, red scrip gear is not worth it. Not worth the cheapest turn in or the deepest gil sink in materials for the crafted version.

If 30ish crafters on a server can be of any measure, thank you square enix, you made lots of people to just "quit" at their favorite activity on the game. Grind and time sinks can only be pushed so far before players which even love said activity start to abandon it.

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...or quit the game entirely. I did. :(

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Originally Posted by Kiyyto

Anyway, scripts aren't a mistake, they aren't any worse than supra was, it's just more of the same

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Supra was 50x easier to get.

The mats were "Farmable", the new mats are on a tiny weekly lockout.

Not the same at all, if it were, far less would be complaining.

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Originally Posted by Wizel

This stuff with crafting and gathering makes me wonder what BS they are going to come up with for relic 2.0, its going to be some massive gated thing I bet.

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Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Dare I ask, how did you get the other materials? Things like Hallowed Water and dissolvents don't exactly craft themselves, and you can't send retainers out on ventures to get them either. That means you probably spent gil to buy them or crafted them yourself, meaning you didn't purely cap on weaver alone.

At high level, there's almost no craft that doesn't require the use of at least one of the other crafts. And right now, market prices are quite high so it would exclude all but the very wealthy to try and buy every material needed. Add to that the need for specialized items in some of the recipes, and you can see why so many people are upset.

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Feel like you took that too literally. When I say I capped from weaver, I mean I did it 100% from weaver turn ins.

I had all crafts at level 50 before the expansion, so all I had to do was farm some deepeye tears and blue coral and craft Normal quality dissolvents.
Never needed hallowed water though, red scrip turn ins don't use that.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Supra was 50x easier to get.

The mats were "Farmable", the new mats are on a tiny weekly lockout.

Not the same at all, if it were, far less would be complaining.

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Maybe not supra, but I definitely spent way less capping red scrips than I did on the master II book. That's still the worst crafting thing ever.