Dear Yoshi P: What is your vision?

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Finally he informs me of something usefull, which results in me being able to in future ignore everything he says that is irelevant :D

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Then the problem isn't that he doesn't have a vision it's just that you don't like his vision. Oh incase you didn't know, his target is FF fans.

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Sonic, I've been poking this at him for 3 days. He also doesn't seem to like accepting that he's playing the wrong game for him.

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4Gamer: So basically, you don’t want to say “FFXIV = THIS!”. Instead, you change how you will respond based on how things are at that time.

Yoshida: That’s how it will be. That’s why, like I mentioned before, our big “policy” right now is just regaining the trust of our players and customers.

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That is the same as saying "I don't want to have a vision, rather I would just like to fix things and change things as time goes on to be flexible."

which is a completely rational and logical way of dealing with the situation....
except that every other MMO does have a vision and can say our game = this.

While personally I like the way he goes about things. That sadly is not what most people like.
Political parties are the perfect example of this. Do you see any centrist parties in the world that say "we don't know what we will do about this policy, we want to leave it open so it will be flexible"... no
Because if you do its political suicide
People want to know fairly direct answers as to a politicians direction and policy choices
just like People want to know direct answers about a games direction and game mechanic choices.

Pretending that people in general are ok with on-the-fence statements about anything is wishful thinking, because every outlet of society shows that people respond to direct answers and extremes rather than the "we can decide things based on the situation"

Put another way, humans are psychologically biased to prefer absolute statements (neuroscientific/psychological fact, social explanation for the human obsession with the afterlife [ex, egyptian 'book of the dead', heaven and hell in Christianity, plato's philosophy])
Yoshi P doesn't want to make absolute statements
so I'm asking for a compromise, a statement about how he would envision the perfect mmo without any commitment to doing any of it.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

That is the same as saying "I don't want to have a vision, rather I would just like to fix things and change things as time goes on to be flexible."

which is a completely rational and logical way of dealing with the situation....
except that every other MMO does have a vision and can say our game = this.

While personally I like the way he goes about things. That sadly is not what most people like.
Political parties are the perfect example of this. Do you see any centrist parties in the world that say "we don't know what we will do about this policy, we want to leave it open so it will be flexible"... no
Because if you do its political suicide
People want to know fairly direct answers as to a politicians direction and policy choices
just like People want to know direct answers about a games direction and game mechanic choices.

Pretending that people in general are ok with on-the-fence statements about anything is wishful thinking, because every outlet of society shows that people respond to direct answers and extremes rather than the "we can decide things based on the situation"

Put another way, humans are psychologically biased to prefer absolute statements (neuroscientific/psychological fact, social explanation for the human obsession with the afterlife [ex, egyptian 'book of the dead', heaven and hell in Christianity, plato's philosophy])
Yoshi P doesn't want to make absolute statements
so I'm asking for a compromise, a statement about how he would envision the perfect mmo without any commitment to doing any of it.

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It's nice to see a post on this with both proof of what has already been said and a reasonable request to go with it.

It would be nice if Yoshi replied to this.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

That is the same as saying "I don't want to have a vision, rather I would just like to fix things and change things as time goes on to be flexible."

which is a completely rational and logical way of dealing with the situation....
except that every other MMO does have a vision and can say our game = this.

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Wow, did he really say that?

It's good to be open to suggestions, but just responding to complaint after complaint is such a futile endeavour, for reasons I outlined before.

A developer needs a birds eye view. You can't just respond to complaints and then "organically" evolve into a good game for everyone. Reacting to complaints will only result in a game rife with inconsinstencies.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Wow, did he really say that?

It's good to be open to suggestions, but just responding to complaint after complaint is such a futile endeavour, for reasons I outlined before.

A developer needs a birds eye view. You can't just respond to complaints and then "organically" evolve into a good game for everyone. Reacting to complaints will only result in a game rife with inconsinstencies.

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Yes, you would know right, since you're some kind game developer/producer right?

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Yes, you would know right, since you're some kind game developer/producer right?

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This is why I'm loving these 'this post has been ignored' bits I keep seeing in the threads now.

It reminds me that I have improved my forum browsing experience by reducing the amount of '/troll' these forums possess by at least 40%

What's with everyone all at once, anyhow? Perhaps try to stay on topic instead of just insulting me. If you disagree, explain why, without trying to discredit me as an individual.

I only discredit Yoshi by explaining why his decisions and ideas will not work. You are welcome to do the same. But if all you can say is that I am not "qualified" to enter discussions or that I am a troll, then that is not adding much to the discussion. (When all is said and done)

See? I scroll to the bottom and I'm greeted by the pleasant "This person is in your ignore list"

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Now with 40% less /troll!
Try yours today!

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

What's with everyone all at once, anyhow? Perhaps try to stay on topic instead of just insulting me. If you disagree, explain why, without trying to discredit me as an individual.

I only discredit Yoshi by explaining why his decisions and ideas will not work. You are welcome to do the same. But if all you can say is that I am not "qualified" to enter discussions or that I am a troll, then that is not adding much to the discussion. (When all is said and done)

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Well you have no proof of what your saying is correct other than pushing what unreleased games are doing, which can change from the final product. All you're saying is he should have a "bird's eye view", which doesn't mean anything. Also they haven't been listening to every complaint, if they have then we wouldn't be moving over to this new claiming system, you'll still have your NQ/+1,+2,+3 system and parts. So obviously they have their vision for the game. Adding what is reasonable from community is a plus. It shows that they're listening to the community and it makes the players feel like they have a part in making the game, but that doesn't mean the players will always have a say in the game.