Bard - they broke my job

It's semantics. BRD definitely isn't broken to be unplayable, but the addition of cast times definitely broke some stuff with bards, enough to make the class unappealing to a good handful of former bard players over machinist, especially when they are so homogenized.

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

Joking aside, many people are making BRD sound worse than it actually is. While there are legitimate QoL issues with it, the job is not broken by any means.

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It really is blown out of proportion IMO. From playing both I would say that BRD, even in it's "unfinished" form (VS MCN that feels more polished) has higher potential than MCN damage wise.

Glaring QoL Issue are:
1: Not being able to only display your detrimental effects on Focus Target (A Multi Dotting must have due to the short timers on VB/WB)
2: Repelling Shot animation clipping the GCD which cancels your cast if you start it prior to landing during the animation (in some cases it can be a DPS loss due to delaying your next skill use by too long)
3: Straighter Shot procs not showing up before the GCD ends after a Heavy Shot use.
4: oGCD clipping due to short window after skill cast time (class does not flow like it used to - Major Issue for Bards main mechanic River of Blood)

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This is why I think that Repelling Shot making your next WS instant cast would be a great addition, due to fixing the animation clipping and giving additional opportunities to weave oGCD's. @ 20's CD from 30s it would give an equivalent effect similar to MCN Quick Reload.

I think if they added that + Fixed SS Procs showing up sooner and increased the SS proc chance to 30%, that the class would play almost identical to how it did before.

Not being able to aim Flaming Arrow before your castbar will finish is annoying the fk out of me. Especially when you play with a controller.

I agree 100% with what Judge said above.

Ive withheld posting in here for months. I don't agree that the class is broken. However the class has a VERY high skill cap for optimal raid dps at the moment. I'm seriously at the end of my rope here. I have been a top tier raider in multiple mmos and even I cant grasp why Bard is so retarded to master on movement based fights. I considered myself exceptional at every class Ive played until now and sadly it just feels like I should quit Bard all together.

Bard is by far the least mobile class.
You are punished quit severely if you mess up with exception of the priority system.
You lose an enormous amount of dps while moving.
Good luck at getting any decent filler uptime when the timing on dots/buffs is so tight.
Lets not forget that we have to support the entire group while maintaining damage.

All of this could be fixed by just adding in something similar to a RuinII skill for bard....not Feint, not dropping WM.

If there is anyone out there that is an expert at Bard in its current state that is will ling to advise me on my play from my stream/logs then please. Contact me on my blog or here.

There is a reason this page is now almost at 150 pages. When only a small percentile of players in the world can truly optimize a class something has to be considered.

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Originally Posted by Junified

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this post really blows everything out of proportion
the only severe punishment, and enormous DPS loss that comes from the situations you described involve dropping your dots.
If you have to move, yeah sure let's pretend that feint/stance dancing don't exist just like how scathe on BLM doesn't exist, that's a fair bit of potency but still not a lot. If you TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR FULL JOB'S TOOLKIT and flip off WM, or even feint, you are barely losing anything.

The only difference between Ruin 2/scathe, and what BRD has, is that BRD's choice is situational and probably one of the few decisions in this game that you oiften have to make on the fly rather than being something that's the absolute same every time as a melee rotation can be. However, there's nothing really special about deciding which one you should do. I can agree that the job has a much higher skill cap now, compared to before but there's nothing really special about optimizing it in fights when there are already other caster jobs in the game.

Those are fair statements but we do have a lot to prioritize before just mindlessly pressing buttons compared to heavy rotation base classes.
I'm here seeking help not argument. Please criticize all you want but make it in a constructive manner^^

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Originally Posted by Junified

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Pointing out where you're wrong and explaining how can easily be constructive but you can feel free to ask me any questions or link your vids or whatever else.
http://pastebin.com/sTg8d5mL
There's an old guide I hastily scrawled up too but eh, I wrote that guide for somebody who sounded pretty lost on how to play the job so it's more for somebody who's new/unfamiliar.

But explaining how something is wrong can easily translate to constructive for a player who can adapt. I actually find that a lot of guides don't actually explain why you should do this/that, though some things are obvious and don't need an explanation, it really promotes improvement to know the methodology because a good makeup of the skill ceiling in this game is adapting to situations rather than following a guide to the T at all times.

This BLM is 60, my DRG is 56 and my Bard (who used to be my main) is almost 53.
I say she used to be simply because without the hard hitters like EA & IJ, WM is just plain painful and a constant source of frustration. Loss of every instant cast, AA, altered barrage and screwed up proccing...instead of watching the playing field I found myself needing to watch my bars most of the time as opposed to pre 3.0.
Both DRG and BLM lost nothing in playstyle. They may not have broken bard but no other class had to completely relearn their class.

I'll probably like her again once she's got the full post 50 kit but she'll be the last one I get to 60 now.

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Originally Posted by Inferiae

I'm not by any means a top Bard, but went to do A1 normal without WM, just out of curiosity. The TP efficiency is terrible. I had to turn it on by the first jump because I was starving for TP.

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yeah that's the reason why i tried getting used to MW after some weeks of flamig that skillmechanic. Alex and everything beyond is just terrible for TP-management without MW. And guess what...

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

I am having fun with WM as I like seeing big numbers caused by my bow and the animation for firing Empyreal Arrows is beautiful. You mean to say that people do not find this objectively fun? What is the world coming to?!

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...now im having great fun with MW and enjoy playing BRD again :)