How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

It is invulnerable, although it's the kind where you can get Heavy Thrust up instead of the pure no-sell kind.

Fracture is not part of the Alex-raiding toolkit. Our filler combo is better than it, even without Disembowel or BotD.

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The damage sent over the network for checking dots is > 0 so the invuln during this phase acts more like a shield that absorbs all damage.

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Originally Posted by Sentinillia

This is incorrect. I don't know why they've decided to code his invulnerability differently from the usual but DoTs that are applied during Limit Cut invulnerability start ticking as they would normally after the invuln wears off.
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I don't see how free damage that doesn't invade our combo can ever be a bad thing, it's not a lot but DPS is DPS.

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Now hold on, I'm not sure where I lost the message, but I didn't say Cruise Chaser doesn't take on effects!

Anyhow, that damage is NOT free, citizen. It's about what opportunities you sacrifice... specifically, the chance to advance the regular rotation sooner. In the general case, that is better than 80ish potency from Fracture.

That said, I suppose I do not have a counterargument for that particular run because I avoid dealing in gamble-crafting or run-specific knowledge. Advancing the rotation a GCD sooner would have been a net loss (albeit a small one). More importantly, though, the person who can productively use all four hits in that phase is supposed to outdamage someone who can only productively use one or two. When you get to such NP quantum script-boggling dynamics, then yeah I suppose you are looking at a different toolkit. It ain't what I call raiding though, that is officially next-level, and yes you may put that on your resume if you like.

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

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I might just be misunderstanding, but it's possible to pull Fracture > HT > ID > Dis resulting in a prepped CT + 2-3 fracture ticks at close to 100% of the time. So the only thing sacrificed would be either 5% mantra of blood bath, if that is worth 40-60 potency or not per fight, I don't know.

What's more important during limit cut is using botd while invuln. If group dps is high, you'll push the boss below 63% before left/right sword, and if you used botd after numbers, botd will not be up after ATM.

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Originally Posted by Sentinillia

Fracture has uses this tier, namely in a11 and a12. You can fracture Cruise Chaser during the numbered Limit Cuts and get free DPS. Fracture can also be used on Alexander during second Temporal Stasis and Inceptions in some situations. Certainly more useful than Mantra.

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Your Fracture did a total of 1700 damage to Cruise Chaser. That's literally 3ish DPS over the 7:46 encounter. I don't see how that is worth the loss of Mantra (granted, untraited Mantra is weak but still...) or the fact you could be advancing your rotation sooner to have Disembowel up asap for your MCH.

During Temporal Stasis, stasis 1 happens when I'm on my 4th. Even if you tried to push another GCD (in this case Fracture) by Elusive Jumping to your spot, that would make your 4th drop. At least that's what happened when I tried to get extra damage while moving to my spot with Piercing Talon - even though the 4th is a "buff" that doesn't get affected by Stasis, using another non related skill breaks the combo, unlike MNK forms.

Stasis 2 happens when I'm on Phleb, and that's considering I Shatter back to the boss. The only way I'd find to fit another Fracture is by replacing Phleb, which is a straight up loss.

I don't necessarily advocate the use of Fracture, I'm simply clearing the misconception that it has no place in our kit. Wether you feel like you want that possible minute gain over Mantra or not is up to you. It can still be considered a viable option when you only have a single gcd to spare and can't get further into a combo. Still beats Impulse Drive and True Thrust.

I'd still contend that if you win a single healer GCD by taking Mantra it'd be better (e.g. one Broil, where I can do 1800 damage in questionable gear). It is difficult to use, of course; your healers have to think a step ahead, so you'd be having to think two steps ahead, plus 5% is really hard to notice (people who worked on That Other Game many years ago once determined that people need about 1/8 more performance to really notice differences), but if you really root out where the heals can benefit from a boost, you can probably find a gain just as esoteric but with more damage.

Anyway, as of 3.5 we don't lose that last-second 4th hit apparently. PRAISE THE SUN

With 2.39 gcd or fey wind, you shouldn't lose the 4th hit before 1st stasis.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/YAGQ Going off the 699/625 figures I came up with this by modifying another BiS I saw. I'm thinking you just tune up the crit/det once the weapon receives its final buff. Would this be as min/maxed as possible or no?

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/YAGQ Going off the 699/625 figures I came up with this by modifying another BiS I saw. I'm thinking you just tune up the crit/det once the weapon receives its final buff. Would this be as min/maxed as possible or no?

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http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/YAK6 is theoretically better (+145 crit and -140 det).