Healers need an overhaul

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Originally Posted by Gemina

When I say, "Play a DPS job". You can call it trolling if you wish. It really doesn't matter to me. But it has more to do with the exhaustion of letting players know that moving in the direction of having more DPS skills to tangle around with isn't happening. And even if it was, it's not happening this instant. You're not going to log into the game tomorrow and will need to find a way to add 3-4 new DPS skills to your hotkeys. If healing sucks, and you're not enjoying it, and the state of them is in an "Existential Crisis", what else am I going to tell you? Honestly?

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What also isn't going to happen is SE increasing healing requirements to use all of our healing tools from start to end of a healing tier out of BOTH healers.

Also, they can prune several skills from healers that we don't need and don't use to make way for dps skills. Further, in SB healers HAD more dps skills and people liked it and then SE got rid of them.

Point is we don't need all the healing tools they keep forcing on to us, we can have dps.

And as pointed out REPEATEDLY may I add:

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Originally Posted by Allegor

There's also this tiny detail that I can't ever stress enough:

H E A L E R S.
E X I S T.
O U T S I D E.
E N D G A M E.
R A I D I N G.

You wanna level? 1111111111
You doing the MSQ? 111111111
You doing a solo scenario? 1111111111
You wanna do fates? 111111111
You doing your job/role quest specifically and exclusively designed for healers? ...111111111

And before anyone uses the "just switch to a dps" argument, I shouldn't be forced to switch to another job just to do content that's allegedly available for everyone. I play a healer because I like being a healer, not because I have to be one. By that very logic, tanks shouldn't exist outside raiding/roulettes either, and yet there they are, with their 123(4) combos, damage buffs, and whatever gauge-related or big dps cooldowns they got - none of which is needed for tanking ever since they neutered aggro management in ShB.

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I went from lv1-90 doing MSQ as a healer. It is boring have 1 (two with a dot) button to do it. And if you're gonna sit there and tell me that I should switch to another class JUST to enjoy playing through MSQ something that 1: is the main selling point of this game and 2: the devs themselves say they want to sell as a complete solo experience then all I have to say is:

Remove CNJ from the starting classes you can pick and all healers at the start of the expansion should auto cap to the max level.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

But it has more to do with the exhaustion of letting players know that moving in the direction of having more DPS skills to tangle around with isn't happening.

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So don't? Every player is invited to give feedback on the game on these forums, which is exactly what the healers asking for more downtime dps engagement are doing. You're straight up wasting your time for no good reason, and acting annoyed about it.

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Originally Posted by tearagion

So don't? Every player is invited to give feedback on the game on these forums, which is exactly what the healers asking for more downtime dps engagement are doing. You're straight up wasting your time for no good reason, and acting annoyed about it.

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Feigning bewilderment or exhaustion at the idea that anyone could possibly dislike the sheer amount of 1111111111 presses healers do is like Sylphie 101. It never stops being ridiculous, and it doesn't matter how many times you shove their faces in it. They refuse to see it.

Every level of content, at all levels of execution. It happens in DSR when your group is doing well
https://puu.sh/JsBKf/7e601312cf.png

It 1111111111111111 happens when you're 1111111111111 massively overhealing
https://puu.sh/JsBLx/f1b1fad2fd.png

It 111111111111 happens when your damage is 111111111111111 grey.
https://puu.sh/JsBMk/3b5a4b2b2c.png

Stop exaaaaaaaaaagerating. You're not going 1111111111111111111111 all the time. That's just senseless 111111111111111 hYpERbOLe. You're making it up. You press PLENTY of buttons other than Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare. They're just once a minute or a handful of times in a 12 minute encounter, SEE the other button presses are there, stop being CRAAAAAAAZY.

All I'm seeing in this thread are people taking the "111111111" comment far too literally to the point where I question both their reading comprehension and their level of maturity.

If you are so big-brained to pull out logs and understand them, and fail to understand how a comment is being hyperbolic and merely symbollic of JUST HOW BLOODY BLAND AND POORLY DESIGNED HEALERS ARE, then you all have a problem.

I suggest you reassess how much time you're wasting believing yourselves to be big-brained, when in reality you're just being absolutely ridiculous for focusing on such a comment.

If people saying "Healers are far too straightforward and have no inherent mechanics other than equally-straightforward healing" bothers you so much to the point where you'd dig up logs, it says far more about you yourselves and how fragile you guys are than the comment and the made it.

Otherwise this conversation will constantly take a nose-dive to the moronic.

Healing is only boring if you play it well, if you're trash at it and your group is equally trash, it's quite exciting.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

All I'm seeing in this thread are people taking the "111111111" comment far too literally to the point where I question both their reading comprehension and their level of maturity.

If you are so big-brained to pull out logs and understand them, and fail to understand how a comment is being hyperbolic and merely symbollic of JUST HOW BLOODY BLAND AND POORLY DESIGNED HEALERS ARE, then you all have a problem.

I suggest you reassess how much time you're wasting believing yourselves to be big-brained, when in reality you're just being absolutely ridiculous for focusing on such a comment.

If people saying "Healers are far too straightforward and have no inherent mechanics other than equally-straightforward healing" bothers you so much to the point where you'd dig up logs, it says far more about you yourselves and how fragile you guys are than the comment and the made it.

Otherwise this conversation will constantly take a nose-dive to the moronic.

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Dude, I just default to 111111111111 now because these people are literally impossible to reason with. I've been arguing with them for three expansions now. Doesn't matter how many times you explain they're overly simplistic. It doesn't matter how many times you demonstrate that their intra-kit engagement has no depth. Doesn't matter how many times you pull out videos showing that you could get through a dungeon (with relative ease!) standing in one spot or dancing around. Doesn't matter if you show that these issues persist into the hardest content in the game.

"HeALeRs aRE thE mOsT FuN ThEY'VE EvER been, just go play a DPS if you don't like them." It's like talking to a wall.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Dude, I just default to 111111111111 now because these people are literally impossible to reason with. I've been arguing with them for three expansions now. Doesn't matter how many times you explain they're overly simplistic. It doesn't matter how many times you demonstrate that their intra-kit engagement has no depth. Doesn't matter how many times you pull out videos showing that you could get through a dungeon (with relative ease!) standing in one spot or dancing around. Doesn't matter if you show that these issues persist into the hardest content in the game.

"HeALeRs aRE thE mOsT FuN ThEY'VE EvER been, just go play a DPS if you don't like them." It's like talking to a wall.

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So, you have an opinion that you're trying to masquerade as a fact, people are telling you that it's an opinion and one they don't share, you've been banging your head against this wall for three expansions now, and you're still thinking it's everyone else that is the issue?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

So, you have an opinion that you're trying to masquerade as a fact, people are telling you that it's an opinion and one they don't share, you've been banging your head against this wall for three expansions now, and you're still thinking it's everyone else that is the issue?

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It's a fact healers are badly designed, it's an opinion whether you like them or not

I say at the very least Sage should be double down into the whole "green dps" healer, since that was literally its entire point and identity. Kardia should be its main source of healing, not just a side regen and if you don't like dpsing, there's still the other 3 healers.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

It's a fact healers are badly designed, it's an opinion whether you like them or not

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People enjoy seeing "Cure 2, Insta cast Cure 2, OGCD Cure 2" or "Medica, Stronger Medica, Medica with Regens, Medica on Medica, Auto-Turret Medica" and think that's the pinnacle of innovation.

That or they think a DoT every 30s, one or two OGCDs every so often and a costant barrage of nothing but rock throws is the pinnacle of damage and engagement

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Originally Posted by Striker44

So, you have an opinion that you're trying to masquerade as a fact, people are telling you that it's an opinion and one they don't share, you've been banging your head against this wall for three expansions now, and you're still thinking it's everyone else that is the issue?

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Striker44 moment.

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