Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

Idk, I can only suggest for everyone against the AFK PLing to submit a bug report. Just did that.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Idk, I can only suggest for everyone against the AFK PLing to submit a bug report. Just did that.

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That'd be a positive use of SE's time.

Maybe we can call them and hang up too. Oh, and order a bunch of pizzas to their office.







Ha!

Name-calling after running out of arguments? Nice behavior there.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

There are two finite resources we are talking about here.

1. Players
2. Camps

For every PL-party there is at least 2 players less that is available for grind-parties. And for every PL-party there is 1 less camp that is available for grind-parties. Unfortunately it's a zero-sum game. The existence PL-parties hinders grind-parties. The more prevalent PL-parties are, the more they hinder grind-parties.

Now this logic also holds true for soloing. So by my logic, soloing also hinders grind-parties, no?? Yes ... but to a much smaller extent. It only takes one player out of the potential grind-party pool, instead of two. Multiply that difference to a server scale and it's dramatic. Also, to DarkstarPoet's point, the XP earned by playing solo is arithmetically comparable (half, double, triple, etc) with grind-party XP. Meanwhile PL-party XP is exponentially larger (10x, 100x, etc) than grind-party XP. That exaggerated XP growth only encourages more PL-parties, and diminishes the ability of grind-parties to form even further.

Some can argue that PL-parties are just a "playstyle", and that players should be able to do it because it doesn't hurt anything ... but I wouldn't make that argument.

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I think you might find that most of the people getting PLed are doing it in LS or with certain LS friends that probably wouldn't join pug grind parties anyways.

regardless you are still trying to force others to play your way or with you which will never happen. People with your type of mentality usually dont get along with others.

PS: I very rarely if ever come across others wanting a spot chosen for PLing that weren't there to also PL. Most grind camps are not used in PLing.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

This is another example of why the devs really need to think twice about how PLing is affecting the community.

Weighing the pros and cons, I'm finding there are more negatives to powerleveling than positives:

Advantages

• New and returning players can play with high level friends.
• Low level players can move toward high level content more quickly.

Disadvantages

• As the playerbase becomes prematurely top-heavy, finding others to experience low-mid level content with becomes more difficult. Even moreso if you wish to experience it with a level-appropriate group. This alienates new and low level players who wish to experience the game as it was meant to be played.
• Similarly, the demand for additional low-mid level content becomes less vocalized as many people simply bypass it, leaving new and low level players with less to do.
• Those who wish to level via old-school grinding with a regular party will find it more difficult since many people now insist on bringing along a powerleveler.
• Camps fill up quickly with powerleveling parties in an environment that was never meant to allow for this kind of leveling design.
• Players who skyrocket to level cap by none of their own effort lack the proper knowledge or gear to participate in the endgame content they raced toward. People become less trusting of random players and are not as open to partying with new people that they do not know.
• All of the above points lead to frustration within the community. A community that cannot afford any more discontent right now.

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I'm quoting this for truth.

To all the people saying that if the PL group wasn't there it would be taken over by a regular grind group.... At least we know they are working towards their higher levels like the rest of us. When you have the best grind party camps taken over by PL groups, it just really deters me from wanting to keep playing the game (no it really doesn't but it might to others xD) because it shows where the priority is in the community. Also brings out a lot of dicks as well.

I'd also like to point out about camp stealing going on before the patch. It's really rude when you have another grind party come and try to steal your camp. But that doesn't happen as often as a PL group coming steal your camp, and I really feel bad for the people that don't have 50's yet because they can't defend it themselves.

Camp stealing going on, change to 50 to defend the camp, goes on forever, and your party decides to disband. Yup don't say it hasn't happened, because it did to me last night. I don't give up when people try and steal our camp, but it definately hinders me and others from leveling up.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I think you might find that most of the people getting PLed are doing it in LS or with certain LS friends that probably wouldn't join pug grind parties anyways.

regardless you are still trying to force others to play your way or with you which will never happen. People with your type of mentality usually dont get along with others.

PS: I very rarely if ever come across others wanting a spot chosen for PLing that weren't there to also PL. Most grind camps are not used in PLing.

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Your first point is quite valid. Players who want to play specifically with other players should not be hindered, especially if they are LS-mates. My only contention with that is that they should not get 10 to 20 times more XP than a standard Full Party. I humbly submit that a Level Syncing system would serve them just as well without throwing the entire community out of balance.

Your second point may also be true as well (though not valid). Every community ... every society, has to have a set of rules in order to not implode. Some are written, some are unwritten. Some are lightly enforced, some are heavily enforced.

But (you may say) this is just a game. Well, games have rules too. How much they are enforced completely depends on who you are playing with, and how much they tolerate the bending and breaking of the game rules.

For example ... when playing chess with someone, I let them use the "castling" move even if they may have already moved their King piece, though that is against the rules, strictly speaking. However, I do not allow players to play naked, no matter how much they claim it is their chess playstyle. It is simply an unwritten rule. Am I forcing them to play my way (i.e. fully clothed)?? Probably. But just because I am forcing them doesn't mean that they're right and I am wrong. They have to have a valid reason ... Free-wheeling whimsy isn't enough.

So far, from reading ALL the posts in this thread, you sir are the only one to come close to providing a valid reason why PL-partying should be allowed (i.e. playing with LS-mates). Getting 20 times more XP is not a valid reason, in and of itself.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Name-calling after running out of arguments? Nice behavior there.

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I'm not, but you are. Just look at your classes lvl. Pug lvl 50. I'm sorry, but pug for 1.19 sucks. That's why you don't get parties. Wait till tomorrow, and you might if pug gets better again. I bet that when tanaka was around and you were llving your pug 1-50 in a week, because you got xp for each punch given unlike the others classes, you wasn't complaining right? Now that your class sucks and you don't want to lvl others because you are lazy, that's your problem. Just don't whinny about others having to work the others classes to 50 because they want to experience the game as a whole and you don't. Blame yourself

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Idk, I can only suggest for everyone against the AFK PLing to submit a bug report. Just did that.

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I wonder if you can even name one level progression MMO where you couldn't mooch xp while AFK. I mean, among MMOs that award xp, that is. Just curious.

He is just mad no one wants to PL him. I wouldnt want to PL someone that wants innocent people banned either.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I wonder if you can even name one level progression MMO where you couldn't mooch xp while AFK. I mean, among MMOs that award xp, that is. Just curious.

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Ultima Online would be one. Although you only ever accumulated experience through action use, a handfull of skills could be done by just idling your character near weak monsters but otherwise it was hard to cheat the system without botting.