Formal Letter to SE about RMT situation.

/sign
Thank you for this!

The biggest problem I have with this is it is a such an easy thing to fix yet they have done NOTHING about it. The time is now, please add my name to the list.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by tocsin

Most endgame non-botting gatherers (read 80% of gatherers) would need shards to be priced at least at 400 gil or better per shard, to make them more profitable than mining or harvesting any other item.

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I think you may be ignoring what makes shards so profitable. It's not the amount you make per shard. It's the fact that you can sell lots of them without flooding the market so nobody buys any more. When I was trying to earn enough gil for a house, I started gathering and making a number of items I thought would sell well and which were going for pretty good prices, but I quickly found the market wouldn't support any of them for long. I ended up switching to just gathering and selling shards and crystals. They didn't initially sell for as much individually, but unlike anything else I tried, they would keep selling consistently (and often pretty quickly), which made them the best money maker overall. (Plus the fact that they can be put up in lots of 200 or 500, or even more, rather than being limited to 99 per lot, made it possible to sell more of them than I could anything else.) These, of course, are the same reasons a lot of RMT bots gather shards, but they apply just the same to legitimate players.

Now, shard prices would fluctuate a lot if RMT suddenly disappeared, and would likely end up higher than now by the time it found a new equilibrium. But I doubt it would be all that much higher. As the prices start to go up a bit, a lot of players would find it worthwhile to gather and sell them (as it already is for many of us), plus a lot more crafters finding it worthwhile to gather their own rather than buying them. After all, shards don't cost anything at all unless you want them to. They're a level 1 item, so you don't even have to have leveled a gathering class beyond just unlocking it. Having a completely free alternative is going to put a cap on how high prices would rise.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

If you accept it, they will usually spam your mog mail with gil selling messages. They are preying on people just randomly accepting friend requests from anyone.

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Yet another way to harass new players who don't know any better... Can't say I'm surprised though. I've seen a few posts around lately from new players saying the only reason they haven't quit is because a friend got them to play. What of those who don't have friends who play? Think of all the people who have quit because of this already. I've seen people say that new people quitting over this is bs, but this problem is in fact very real. Truly saddening indeed.

Even worse, as an update to this, Yoshi-P was asked about RMT spam in a recent interview (you can read the internet article here http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._yoshida_this/

and this is what he said (copypasta):

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regarding RMT spam

We actually have a special task force dedicated to control and get rid of much spam, and control it within the game and not only the incidents that are reported by our players. Internally we have a special group always checking, allways researching, allways going after RMT spam and trying to find them and strike them and make sure to removed this incidents as much as possible. We also are going through with like an undercover investigation where we try to find out larger groups of people who are doing the RMT spam and try to control it from there as well. Also from a daily basis we are banning a few thousands accounts and tens of thousands of accounts per month so on the players inpoint it may not seem that the incidents have reduced but we are doing that best to control it, there is a lot of RMT spam thats happening so we have to be continously vigilant in order to stop them and avoid those incidents.

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it sounds suscpiciously like Yoshida, and SE, are taking a "we are doing as best we can, stop pestering for more." attitude.

Figured I would share, since this is the closest to an SE response as we have gotten.

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Originally Posted by LandricFrey

lol That would have been perfect for the task force thread

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I wish I had seen that thread :(

Definitely agree with this one. If my friends weren't here, I would have left a LONG time ago. SE, I hope you take us seriously. If not... well. You can imagine.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_Mog

That's even worse. lol SE should be DELETING those characters too, so they never come back.

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And here's where the problem is. Not the characters... The ACCOUNTS.

This is why you get the tells, because these RMT pieces of crap basically are on paid accounts. Whether their own or hacked, they are paid accounts.

No, Yosheep.

You have THREE PEOPLE. (You can check the 2.55 credits -- the number of people on the Special Task Force is precisely THREE.)

Who are getting absolutely OVERWHELMED by the amount of RMT flooding into the game.

Why? Because the fact is the people are getting a huge market here. I think I've counted at least EIGHT websites these jackasses are promoting.

Get Legal/Copyright on them and treat it like counterfeit Final Fantasy merchandise. Jail the freaking lot of them.

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Back on topic, however, I think we need to actually send this petition to yoshida himself. I don't think he is actually seeing the effect this issue is having on people.

My main gripe with the RMT is the constant spam of /tell and friend invites. It borders on harassment having the same "person" messaging you multiple times within an hour with blahh blahh gil for sale bs.

I won't deny the fact that botting itself keeps some staple items like Shards at lower cost, but you could also consider prices adjusting across the board if all were provided by actual players. Botting exist in plenty of MMO's. What doesn't relate to all of them is the /tell nonsense. Seeing some dead 'toons' forming a URL for a website is off putting but far more acceptable than random PM/invite from some fuck that's not even at the keyboard. That is super annoying and disheartening since you personally cannot stop the constant onslaught outside of going /busy24sev.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

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Back on topic, however, I think we need to actually send this petition to yoshida himself. I don't think he is actually seeing the effect this issue is having on people.

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How would I get this petition to Yoshida himself though? Perhaps if someone was able to translate it into Japanese and post it on the JP forums or something? I really have no idea how lol.

P.S. Will have 200 signatures pretty soon, I wonder how much of a portion of the general discussion forums that is.

The best idea I have come up with was to contact the CEO of SE, perhaps as a group, and give him this petition. we have an email address for him, from less than a year ago. it isn't recent, but perhaps, if we can get 50-100 messages to him, with this exact petition enclosed, he may listen enough to get the message to yoshida.

http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

His email is at the bottom, behind a hyperlink.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

The best idea I have come up with was to contact the CEO of SE, perhaps as a group, and give him this petition. we have an email address for him, from less than a year ago. it isn't recent, but perhaps, if we can get 50-100 messages to him, with this exact petition enclosed, he may listen enough to get the message to yoshida.

http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

His email is at the bottom, behind a hyperlink.

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Hmm, it's certainly worth a shot.

Forgot to add that I'd like to add my name, too. Will make sure to get some more names in there soon~ ;)

additionally, http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/company/officer.html gives a list of all current board members. Based on the fact that the EU and Americas CEO, Phillip Rogers, uses an email that merely shortens his first name, as a nickname, it may be prudent that the other board members may do the same. blanket emailing said directors, to figure out which are real emails and which are not, may also be prudent.

We may need to be persistent. more persistent than the RMT spammers themselves, in order to get a response. but if we are, it may make this better.

Additionally, http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/company/group.html Gives addresses to each of the corporate headquarters. lets start mailing the people, too.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

additionally, http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/company/officer.html gives a list of all current board members. Based on the fact that the EU and Americas CEO, Phillip Rogers, uses an email that merely shortens his first name, as a nickname, it may be prudent that the other board members may do the same. blanket emailing said directors, to figure out which are real emails and which are not, may also be prudent.

We may need to be persistent. more persistent than the RMT spammers themselves, in order to get a response. but if we are, it may make this better.

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Hello, I write this letter and petition in hopes that it will get to Yoshida himself. I feel SE currently does not realize just how bad the RMT situation is on the NA/EU servers, being that the JP servers have been relatively spam free in comparison. On my server, Zalera, I often get a /tell from an RMT roughly once per minute, as well as friends requests from gilsellers and shouts in the cities. The imgur hyperlinks below will prove what I am saying is true.

http://imgur.com/qkNTxWQ
http://imgur.com/PuCI6oz
http://imgur.com/rb45o8h

I would not have sent this email were the situation on the NA servers not desperate. Players on many servers have resorted to shutting off their private communications channels so that RMTs cannot spam them. In an MMO, the most social genre of game there is, this is a very bad sign. I am concerned about the new players who will join. In an oversaturated market, new players will not put up with such spam the moment they begin to play this game. You as a company could be missing out on possibly millions of dollars from these new players who will likely not sub because of this very problem.

I do not expect SE to reveal the strategy they are going to use to deal with the RMTs, that would be tipping your hand. I do however, expect some sort of reassurance and acknowledgement of the problem, and that SE's current solutions to combating this problem are not enough. I realize it might be bad publicity or what not to admit your current measures have not been enough, but consider this; Had it not been for SE accepting they had made a mistake, we would not have this beautiful game called FF14: A Realm Reborn in the first place. The game itself was an amazing comeback from what was previously a massive failure. Back then, you all came out and admitted fault, and you strived to better the situation. You succeeded spectacularly. Please, follow this example once more, and make things bearable for your players once again. We are so very tired of being harassed every minute of our gametime by RMTs. Below are the signatures of all the players on the forums who feel the same as I do(approximately 200 gathered), and those are only the extreme minority of people who have visited the forums in this month's time.

(Obviously the signatures are down here.)

This is the email I will be sending.

If they don't say or do something by Heavensward, I'm gonna be severely upset, and may have to consider unsubscribing.

I would also print out like 50 copies of the petition itself, stick it in an envelope, and mail one a day to each of the SE corporate headquarters, addressed to the CEO of the respective division.

Emailing the board of directors...borderline creepy AND insane. >_>
Like the board has anything at all to do with this game other than looking at expense reports.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

Emailing the board of directors...borderline creepy AND insane. >_>
Like the board has anything at all to do with this game other than looking at expense reports.

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Would prefer to simply get the letter to Yoshida somehow, to be honest. Odds of that seem to be low, but I feel like he doesn't actually know how bad the RMT thing is on NA servers. I wish I knew the proper way... the proper channels through which to make that happen. If their stance still remains the same after, then whatever, at least I tried. I mean, with the amount of replies and such I'm sure at least one of the devs has seen this, but does it go any further than that...

Honestly, its a pretty "old-time" tactic. Sending protest letters to the presidents of companies, over and over again until you receive a response, has been something done for decades, to force responses. ever watch the movie "Shawshank Redemption"? remember how the main character kept writing congress for a grant for the prison library, and after 5 years of sending one letter every day, he finally got a response? that's how it works.

The main problem is, Yoshida is seeming to be blowing off the NA playerbase, and focusing on promoting and selling his new expansion. He really doesn't seem to be paying attention. Maybe a well placed letter from the CEO of SE, telling Yoshida to "Take care of this." may be the only way to get meaningful action.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

Emailing the board of directors...borderline creepy AND insane. >_>
Like the board has anything at all to do with this game other than looking at expense reports.

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if you have a better idea, feel free to share it. Posting on the forums isn't working anymore, as 545 posts and counting in this thread would indicate.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

Honestly, its a pretty "old-time" tactic. Sending protest letters to the presidents of companies, over and over again until you receive a response, has been something done for decades, to force responses. ever watch the movie "Shawshank Redemption"? remember how the main character kept writing congress for a grant for the prison library, and after 5 years of sending one letter every day, he finally got a response? that's how it works.

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Unfortunately we don't have five years, lol. More like 2 months. If this isn't fixed by Heavensward...I don't wanna think of how many new players will be turned off.

Retaliatory report filed. If I can't call him what he is, then I will get his stuff looked at by people who might do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Retaliatory report filed. If I can't call him what he is, then I will get his stuff looked at by people who might do something about it.

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Go ahead. matter of fact, I recommend anyone who thinks this same way to do the same. its not the first or even the third time I have talked to GM's, and im sure this wont be the last, either.

but, until then, please keep this thread clear of useless accusing, and on the topic of trying to get SE to notice that there is an actual issue going on.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Unfortunately we don't have five years, lol. More like 2 months. If this isn't fixed by Heavensward...I don't wanna think of how many new players will be turned off.

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its just a literary reference. SE also isn't congress, and we have a petition with over 200 subscribers, not a single prison inmate begging for money, lol.

Useless accusing? I called you exactly what you were. I'll keep the language out of it if I must, but to call you an RMT apologist is more than evident by your track record on this thread, and that makes you an enemy of players like me.

I saw what players like you did to the first SE MMO - made it a cheaters' paradise full of a bunch of fools who basically limit everyone else's ability to play the game by how much they get their butts kissed.

I'm not going to see that happen twice. The first one got me banned off the XI forums quite quickly. Took about three months.

*eyeroll* /blist.

so, back on topic yet again, unless we have a better idea, ill be picking up some stamps today to send out this petition. I encourage others to do so as well. maybe flooding their corporate mailbox might at least get some heads to turn.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

but I feel like he doesn't actually know how bad the RMT thing is on NA servers. I wish I knew the proper way... the proper channels through which to make that happen. If their stance still remains the same after, then whatever, at least I tried. I mean, with the amount of replies and such I'm sure at least one of the devs has seen this, but does it go any further than that...

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And in my opinion, I feel that everyone on the JP side knows that the NA/EU servers have it rough on the RMT side. They have had it rough since the time of XI... Even as Tiggy and few others have said, they know. Will we ever see anything done about it? Probably not. There probably will never be a visible change in how they do their proceedings. There weren't any changes made to XI and the RMT situation until the RMT destroyed the economy in that game...and I mean, inflation the way this game will never know.

It never changed except for that drastic situation back then...do I think it'll change now? No, not really. Are the RMT on the NA/EU servers an issue. Yeah, but not enough for them to lead a campaign against the RMT until the economy in the game is destroyed beyond all saving.
You can write emails to people completely unrelated to the issue but that will never work.

They know that there's this issue. Soap boxing this issue until you're an annoying voice on the corner won't change things. The economy in this game needs to crash before they do anything HUGE.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

Honestly, its a pretty "old-time" tactic. Sending protest letters to the presidents of companies, over and over again until you receive a response, has been something done for decades, to force responses.

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As you're doing in a way right now with this thread. As I've said before, sending protest letters for something like this is creepy and weird and it'll be seen as that to them most likely.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

ever watch the movie "Shawshank Redemption"? remember how the main character kept writing congress for a grant for the prison library, and after 5 years of sending one letter every day, he finally got a response? that's how it works.

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Yeah, he was also stuck in prison. Comparing that to this is a little out there. This is an MMO and our platform to speak with the developers are the forums. They have never spoken back about this matter ever except for the one time that I described above for XI. *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by tocsin

The main problem is, Yoshida is seeming to be blowing off the NA playerbase, and focusing on promoting and selling his new expansion. He really doesn't seem to be paying attention.

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As others have said, Yoshi is busy with the expansion. If you think the RMT problem for half the servers is so extreme to DELAY/STOP the expansion, then you're losing touch with the picture at large. Yoshi is not blowing off the NA/EU playerbase. He's busy being held tight to a rigorous schedule.
He also isn't blowing us off because once again, they have never made any announcements about anything RMT wise since XI. Ever. He's just going according to what they've always done.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

if you have a better idea, feel free to share it. Posting on the forums isn't working anymore, as 545 posts and counting in this thread would indicate.

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My idea is and has always been since the beginning of this thread before it became annoying soap box protests and threatening to email everybody, was to give my 2 cents and sit tight. I - along with ALL the other players - know that the expansion is priority 1 and that IF anything is to be done, it will be done then. These disgusting threats of emailing CEOs and the board of directors is so over the top that it's crazy. It's escalating an issue to the highest extreme.

It's honestly screaming at a parent when they are busy making dinner. Wait for dinner to be made before you email anyone and rant and rave about how you're being neglected.

i totally agreed with this one.....

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

As others have said, Yoshi is busy with the expansion. If you think the RMT problem for half the servers is so extreme to DELAY/STOP the expansion, then you're losing touch with the picture at large. Yoshi is not blowing off the NA/EU playerbase. He's busy being held tight to a rigorous schedule.
He also isn't blowing us off because once again, they have never made any announcements about anything RMT wise since XI. Ever. He's just going according to what they've always done.

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What is to say that they have to delay/stop the expansion to deal with this RMT issue? Hell, they've been releasing all these content patches in between, I can't imagine adding a few QoL features like a right click report button would be that difficult would it? Are you also saying that the fact people have to remain on busy status all the time or they get spammed every single minute nonstop is not extreme?

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

My idea is and has always been since the beginning of this thread before it became annoying soap box protests and threatening to email everybody, was to give my 2 cents and sit tight. I - along with ALL the other players - know that the expansion is priority 1 and that IF anything is to be done, it will be done then. These disgusting threats of emailing CEOs and the board of directors is so over the top that it's crazy. It's escalating an issue to the highest extreme.

It's honestly screaming at a parent when they are busy making dinner. Wait for dinner to be made before you email anyone and rant and rave about how you're being neglected.

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You realize that if nothing happens - if this doesn't change at all, and Heavensward comes out...Do you understand how many new players are going to be driven away? It IS going to be too late by then, that's the problem. To be honest, you are also exaggerating the "creepiness factor" of this. They are not going to be creeped out by this, I assure you. My guess is that they will give it a quick once over and then move on...and by once over I mean, literally reading maybe the first sentence if that.

Exactly. if something isn't done about the RMT spam by heavensward, when all the game reviewers see it, we are likely going to be looking at another 1.0 situation. A Heavensward release with RMT issues, I can honestly see being the death knell of the game itself. This isn't 2001. There are a lot more options for MMO's than there were in FFXI times, and I cant logically believe that FFXIV can withstand the blow that FFXI did with RMT, in the way that it did. Nowadays, MMOs that those things happen to, they go under.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

My guess is that they will give it a quick once over and then move on...and by once over I mean, literally reading maybe the first sentence if that.

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agreed, that is exactly what they will do. But, if they read that first sentence 25-50 times, they might think to read a little further. I have never been one for sitting back and doing nothing while a credible threat ruins my passions. I want to stand up and defend it, to every last breath I can.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

agreed, that is exactly what they will do. But, if they read that first sentence 25-50 times, they might think to read a little further. I have never been one for sitting back and doing nothing while a credible threat ruins my passions. I want to stand up and defend it, to every last breath I can.

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Indeed, many times throughout history people have had to fight to accomplish their goals. This still holds true today. There are times where sitting back and taking it easy won't suffice. This RMT issue has been rampant for over a decade now, and things like this aren't easily changed, not without the will to fight for it. Call it creepy or disgusting if you want. I can think of far more radical examples of people who fought tooth and nail to see justice be done. Yeah I acknowledge this example isn't as extreme as that, but what we're doing here isn't that extreme either...Sending emails to these people? I get a bunch of spam/junk email every day, not to mention the spam /tells I get when I login to FF14, of course. If this is continued to be treated half heartedly, then nothing will change...

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

What is to say that they have to delay/stop the expansion to deal with this RMT issue? Hell, they've been releasing all these content patches in between, I can't imagine adding a few QoL features like a right click report button would be that difficult would it?

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All these content patches? You mean...the one? 2.5 was announced long before this thread ever came about. 2.5 was in testing and finished on the NA side when this thread was doing its thing. All its major work had been done though. There hasn't been anything else aside from that. Nothing else. Just a few story missions and one fight. 2.56 is what? One tweak to a fight, a line of code that they've already used elsewhere and a few bug fixes that they probably fixed a month ago. And you're ignoring how people said that there hasn't been any content updates besides the main story?

The "small" QoL fix is an entire filtering system or new way to report people that somehow can't be abused...
It's not as small as you think.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Are you also saying that the fact people have to remain on busy status all the time or they get spammed every single minute nonstop is not extreme?

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Maybe it is the way it is on Cactuar but I get spammed with messages and see a lot more people without the /busy than I see the ones with it on. Everyone has different tolerance levels. It's extreme in its own way but it doesn't affect the economy and the fact that that remains intact.

As I stated in my original post, SE has never made a statement regarding RMT and its procedures or any changes since XI's economy was destroyed. Hell, even the reddit thread that asked Yoshida yesterday/this evening only managed to get him to respond with, "We have the STF working on it."

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

You realize that if nothing happens - if this doesn't change at all, and Heavensward comes out...Do you understand how many new players are going to be driven away?

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It won't drive enough away to squash profits, that's for sure. And that's what will make the SE developers act even more quickly than the in-game economy crashing. Also, because you're still subscribed, it obviously isn't enough to drive you away either. "May not subscribed" isn't a loss of profits.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

It IS going to be too late by then, that's the problem.

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It won't be. People will say, "Finally!" and be happy as they have done before in the past. Once HW is finished, they may or may not implement a filtering system. If they do, awesome. Everyone wins. If not, *shrugs* a majority of the people on your list will be set to /busy and still subscribe.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

Exactly. if something isn't done about the RMT spam by heavensward, when all the game reviewers see it, we are likely going to be looking at another 1.0 situation.

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What? You mean the 1.0 situation where like, 90% of its fanbase didn't actually like it? That the subscription numbers were barely enough to make due? Free to play for a while because SE admitted that they released the game too early and that it wasn't finished? Really? You think that RMT spam and what the debacle that 1.0 was is anything alike?
Really.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

A Heavensward release with RMT issues, I can honestly see being the death knell of the game itself. This isn't 2001.

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I assure you, it's not. XI kept going with a lower population than this game will ever know. At no point did XI ever get 1 mil subscriptions... That game never died. It's still not dead even though its content has ceased. RMT will not kill this game just as it never killed XI. A large amount of MMOs or not, people will either stay because they like the game/want to play or they don't.

With that, I'm honestly done. I will sit back and see what they do after HW is out, while you two go back and forth with your ideals of a better world one MMO at a time.

Edit: Also, please, don't feel that you have to respond. I honestly won't re-enter this thread to see whatever you said. I'm happy imagining a /busy with this thread.

/signed. Athrun zolza (exodus)

The spamming has to stop :/

Tbh over the past week I've been getting less and less spam, there was a non stop friend request over and over again by bots but now it's nearly gone. Same for shouts and tells. Something must be getting done cause I can see the difference

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Originally Posted by Mature

Tbh over the past week I've been getting less and less spam, there was a non stop friend request over and over again by bots but now it's nearly gone. Same for shouts and tells. Something must be getting done cause I can see the difference

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Probably just coincidence. One day I'll get a bit less spam, the next it'll be three times as bad. Nothing *effective* is being done, that's for sure. They have to shell out a "Block whispers from people not on your friendlist/in your LS/in your FC status" already to give us a valid defense against RMT spam that doesn't cripple us like /busy does. It'd be such a damn easy thing to do and it'd be so damn effective that it disgusts me that they are STILL ignoring our pleas for such a thing.

I like the game, but the way the company handles it and its support is horribly bad. If I didn't have an FC and friends still playing, I'd quit for that reason alone. I don't know how everyone else feels, but the way they handle - or ignore - our RMT-induced plight does not make me feel like SE gives a crap about us customers at all. The RMT is so very out of hand that it astounds me that they didn't take any real measures yet, because it's definitely shooing away already existing customers as well as potentially new ones at this point. SE seems to be content taking the botters' money just as much as the real players', not caring if more and more RMT accounts scare away more and more player accounts, as long as they make enough money bottom line.

I have never, ever seen a pay to play title so very flooded by bots. For such a long time, even. I thought AION was bad back in the day, but it was nothing compared to this. It's nothing short of disgraceful.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Probably just coincidence. One day I'll get a bit less spam, the next it'll be three times as bad. Nothing *effective* is being done, that's for sure.

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Dont get me wrong but with all due respect,you cannot expect CERO spam or gil shout sellers. That's NEVER gonna happen. so Let's be realistic here for a moment. As long as it's been monitored and reduced I'll be happy. It's a bit like saying , "let's eradicate piracy" that's never happened but can be controlled. I do feel and I can see that the amount of gilsellers/spam/shouts/friend bot request has improved.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Tbh over the past week I've been getting less and less spam, there was a non stop friend request over and over again by bots but now it's nearly gone. Same for shouts and tells. Something must be getting done cause I can see the difference

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I haven't noticed a difference on my server, unfortunately. Still the same once per minute spam that I received when I made this thread a month ago.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

All these content patches? You mean...the one? 2.5 was announced long before this thread ever came about. 2.5 was in testing and finished on the NA side when this thread was doing its thing. All its major work had been done though. There hasn't been anything else aside from that. Nothing else. Just a few story missions and one fight. 2.56 is what? One tweak to a fight, a line of code that they've already used elsewhere and a few bug fixes that they probably fixed a month ago. And you're ignoring how people said that there hasn't been any content updates besides the main story?

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2.5 was quite a sizable chunk of content added. As well as a bunch of minor patches in between.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

The "small" QoL fix is an entire filtering system or new way to report people that somehow can't be abused...
It's not as small as you think.

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This very same report system I spoke of is used in WoW and is not abused that much.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

Maybe it is the way it is on Cactuar but I get spammed with messages and see a lot more people without the /busy than I see the ones with it on. Everyone has different tolerance levels. It's extreme in its own way but it doesn't affect the economy and the fact that that remains intact.

As I stated in my original post, SE has never made a statement regarding RMT and its procedures or any changes since XI's economy was destroyed. Hell, even the reddit thread that asked Yoshida yesterday/this evening only managed to get him to respond with, "We have the STF working on it."

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They probably have a separate /tell tab like I do. Also, not every server is as bad as the other. Some servers have it way worse than others.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

It won't drive enough away to squash profits, that's for sure. And that's what will make the SE developers act even more quickly than the in-game economy crashing. Also, because you're still subscribed, it obviously isn't enough to drive you away either. "May not subscribed" isn't a loss of profits.

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It won't put them in the negative profit because a lot of veteran players will stay through this bs. Their profit loss will be in terms of their potential profit. All of the new players who have no attachment - no reason to stay through this.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

It won't be. People will say, "Finally!" and be happy as they have done before in the past. Once HW is finished, they may or may not implement a filtering system. If they do, awesome. Everyone wins. If not, *shrugs* a majority of the people on your list will be set to /busy and still subscribe.

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Veteran players who stayed will say that. New players will just leave in droves. This is one of the premises of my thread. Not only would them fixing this ensure the subs of new players, it would also vastly improve the QoL for those of us still here. Does our sub mean nothing in terms of having quality service provided? Yes, the rate they release content is indeed impressive. It makes me realize even further that it would not be a monumental task for them to implement a satisfactory measure that deters RMT operations.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

Edit: Also, please, don't feel that you have to respond. I honestly won't re-enter this thread to see whatever you said. I'm happy imagining a /busy with this thread.

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Well, incase you're still seeing this message, sorry to see you go. I was simply debating points, not attempting personal attacks in any way.

It is really getting bad it sucks that they are blatantly creating names saying what they are doing and the friend requesting ones are getting annoying and to have them now shouting again.....

/signed Olyver White (Coeurl)