We need to compromise as a player base

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Why should I be supportive of a graphical overhaul I didn't ask for that ruined my character? The eyes, lips, eyebrows and skin look ugly now. Where's the graphical upgrade? They've downgraded my character in every way. If I showed this to someone who doesn't play this game and asked them what they thought of the new graphics, they'd think the new improved graphics are shown in the right picture.

So yeah, SE, here's the change I'm asking: roll it back the way it was.

https://i.postimg.cc/kXfFQ6S3/DTbench-Comparison.png

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Excuse me for using your character as example please... But the main differences I see are: color of eyebrows (that can affect how the face expression is perceived), the light on the eyes that is a major issue and affects most currently, I can see a change in the eyelashes density and texture, not a big one but it's there, the lip gloss is also a texture thing but I can't see a major change in her lips shape. Also the jaw is a bit lower and softer but very very little, it may even be just the light ticking our eyes.

In my opinion on your character -again just to give an example, hope you don't get upset- I believe that if color/shine on eyebrows, eyelashes and lips were changed you may like her again.
But I also thing most options should be like new options or toggle on/off in case other people do like the new versions...

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I'm sure we'll find something we like with the phantasia...

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They have messed up things that you can't fix with Fantasia. Unless they make these things a new Option in the Character Customization Menu.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

As players, we need to keep pointing out issues but be supportive of this direction to change the game for the better.

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Is this supposed to be Sarcasm?

I've said it many times and I'll say it again.
The people working at Square Enix aren't as good as many may think they are.
Look at all the copy and paste Armor (and recently they even have put a copy and paste Glamour in the Cashh shop), Mounts and even Content.
The bad Character Customization and Armor Coloring.
No head gear for Viera for years.
And now they have ruined our Character Models with this poor attempt to make things better.
I'll say it out loud. These Guys have to go. Make room for more skilled people. And by these Guys I mean Mr. Naoki Yoshida and his overrated Devs who are responsible for this Character Customization mess.
I know, Mr. Yoshida is praised as the Saviour of FF14. But now he is about to ruin this Game for many Players.
We shoudn't be supportive of such poor work.

I would like an option to not use updated graphics.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

You don't need to re-write her. All you need to do is accept the fact you are seeing a more high definition version of herself, and besides graphics fidelity she is the same person. I don't know about you but when I put glasses on in the mirror I see a completely different person. Its still me, but HD and quite frankly I prefer my softer look without the glasses haha, you see less flaws.

But perhaps this is a good indication more mouth types are needed in the character creator and perhaps a cheekbone slider in a future release.

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I couldn't reply yesterday because I hit the post limit, so apologies for the delay in a reply. But putting glasses on in the morning does not add dimples to a previously dimpleless face. And every mouth has it so there's nothing I can change with a fantasia to fix it. If I wanted her to have dimples I would have used face 2 when I made her (which, ironically, has lost its dimples with the update), or have described her with dimples in any of the things I've written about her.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...8c6a6562ca6dc&
I have an edit ready to go if this update goes live with no changes. It's not her, but neither is her face with no tweaks. Again, if we wanna talk about compromise, I'm willing to compromise the face shape and the lips being fuller (even if it's pushing a beauty standard that I don't appreciate), but adding a whole new feature (dimples) to a face that never had it is where I draw the line.

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Originally Posted by KhujaRela

In my opinion on your character -again just to give an example, hope you don't get upset- I believe that if color/shine on eyebrows, eyelashes and lips were changed you may like her again. But I also thing most options should be like new options or toggle on/off in case other people do like the new versions...

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If they manage to fix what they broke on the eyes, the lips and the eyebrows in just over 2 months, it would be passable.

What I don't understand is them going through with a graphical overhaul which for the most part seems to be a downgrade across the board. What are the improvements this change was supposed to bring us? Having glowsticks for ears? Exhilarating. Every change so far seems to be either unnecessary or straight up made something worse than it was.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

They are literally going to lose more money if they implement this, compared to just cutting their losses now. It's that bad.

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No, they won't, The forums represent a small very negative part of the community and you said yourself you are just going to pop a fanta and most likely carry on playing the game.

The problem with compromising and shipping it as is for now - is that it will cement new features for new players to use and then what? You are going to take it away from them? Some things are obviously bugs, but some are just shapes changes which could be seen by someone else as appealing but they currently ruin/change the existing characters. That is why it is important to backtrack.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

No, they won't, The forums represent a small very negative part of the community and you said yourself you are just going to pop a fanta and most likely carry on playing the game.

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All of this is irrelevant if JP sees an issue with things. Last I checked on their side of the forum, they have similar issues to us. Square won't do anything to irritate their home community as they are ultimately their main market, we're just along for the ride.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

All of this is irrelevant if JP sees an issue with things. Last I checked on their side of the forum, they have similar issues to us. Square won't do anything to irritate their home community as they are ultimately their main market, we're just along for the ride.

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Yes, there are issues but it won't be a net loss for SE even in the short term let alone the long term. A lot of this complaining reminded me of when cross-DC rolled out and everyone complained about how slow it was which died down after the week.

Is this here where I give feedback?

Never post here but I wanted to give my two cents regarding the update.
I'm happy with it. Small thing like the keeper fangs and the beard stubble aside I like the updated stuff.

I would like too keep the updated stuff with little tweeks here and there.
But I'm also not too attached to the look of my cat so I guess I can understand some of the negative feedback.
Guess it would help if square said that the feedback was heard and they will work on it but please don't roll back the update because of it.