Pulling why?

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Originally Posted by Doozer

They said healers aren't needed in full pulls, that includes their damage. Or their fairy, or any other passive heals or mitigation.

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They aren’t, you can drop the healer in a full pull and bring a third DPS, your run will go faster

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

They aren’t, you can drop the healer in a full pull and bring a third DPS, your run will go faster

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I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

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I’m not saying it’s common I’m saying that not only is it possible it’s accessible to do if you have like minded people and it will actually speed your run up

You should not actively benefit from excluding a third of the trinity, your argument basically boils down to “healers are an enforced burden on the party by the DF system” which really isn’t a shining indication of 14’s trinity design

That question shouldn't even be on your mind.
You should feel offended that they have the audacity to even THINK they can have OUR aggro.
Take it back. It's OURS. They can't have it.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

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3 dps and a Warrior is actually optimal for dungeons.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

3 dps and a Warrior is actually optimal for dungeons.

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Please read all of what I said before replying to me, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

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It could be argued that that is a failing of the dev team and the game as a whole not teaching players how to get ready for max level content (not end game or high-end content, like raiding and savages, but basics). If they're going to design gameplay around the lowest denominator of the playerbase, they really should try to teach that playerbase the basics. ┐(´∀｀)┌

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

It could be argued that that is a failing of the dev team and the game as a whole not teaching players how to get ready for max level content (not end game or high-end content, like raiding and savages, but basics). If they're going to design gameplay around the lowest denominator of the playerbase, they really should try to teach that playerbase the basics. ┐(´∀｀)┌

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People are also capable of teaching themselves, starting with reading their tooltips. Trying things out and making mistakes is also an excellent way to learn. Not everything needs to be learned by having your hand held the whole way.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

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Well no, it just means the healer is there and going to mash their aoe button as the tank does everything else. They're not going to press most of their healer buttons.

Unless its a Dark Knight I guess.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Well no, it just means the healer is there and going to mash their aoe button as the tank does everything else. They're not going to press most of their healer buttons.

Unless its a Dark Knight I guess.

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Multiple people have specifically stated that they meant no healer at all. Please read the full conversation.