Ungendered sit poses, please?

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.

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Using not playing viera to wear hats as a counter is a bad faith argument since hats and hairstyles are a broken feature for those races while gendered sitting animations aren't. Fixing something that's incomplete should take priority over something that already functions, but people want changed.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.

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1. Quote me where I said that.

2. It's hilarious that you're comparing people wanting to have parity with other races to you wanting extra stuff

3. This is poor indie company, be serious.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Using not playing viera to wear hats as a counter is a bad faith argument since hats and hairstyles are a broken feature for those races while gendered sitting animations aren't. Fixing something that's incomplete should take priority over something that already functions, but people want changed.

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The fact you acknowledge the hat thing means you understand it's bad faith because the original argument was also bad faith. And as I said, they're doing updates to unlock gendered clothing so this is something that's already on their workflow agenda. Animation fixes are not that big of a deal.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

1. Quote me where I said that.

2. It's hilarious that you're comparing people wanting to have parity with other races to you wanting extra stuff

3. This is poor indie company, be serious.

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Square Enix? A poor indie company? Now you're just running out of ways to troll this thread.
Again: they're doing this with gear. They have the tools available to them.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.

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Viera and hroths being released in an unfinished state and missing core parts of customization that every other race has is not even close to the same thing as a situation where there are an equal number of different poses.

Regardless, they should be adding to the races and genders that have fewer options, female miqo can take a seat and wait till everyone else gets the level of customization they get before they start making demands about getting more options.

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

The fact you acknowledge the hat thing means you understand it's bad faith because the original argument was also bad faith. And as I said, they're doing updates to unlock gendered clothing so this is something that's already on their workflow agenda. Animation fixes are not that big of a deal.

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Seeing as they're unlocking clothing it's much easier for you to make an effiminate male character with the desired poses then it is for people playing viera to get hats or hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

It's hilarious that you're comparing people wanting to have parity with other races to you wanting extra stuff

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Originally Posted by crystallineAbyss

Square Enix? A poor indie company?

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Funny how it's always the perpetually upset and needy that have a hard time picking up sarcasm. Like they pretend to "DESTROY YOU WITH FACTS AND LOGIC", but need /s at the end of the post, a winkey face emoji, or just straight up "I'm joking btw" in order to pick up the obvious... and if they couldn't, it's your fault.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Regardless, they should be adding to the races and genders that have fewer options, female miqo can take a seat and wait till everyone else gets the level of customization they get before they start making demands about getting more options.

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You're forgetting that the developers don't all have the same skills and job. Refusing to add Miqote poses doesn't mean Viera and Hrothgar will get improvements faster. If anything, it probably means that poses get delayed for everyone. It's not clear that the people making emotes are the ones that model hats or that those two processes have anything to do with each other.

In light of that, what character a person plays (which can be more than one) doesn't have any bearing on whether they should be listened to or not.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

This is starting to get tangled in semantics. I originally replied to you because you said that the side wanting more options/unlocks was against uniqueness. I explained why that was wrong. We can disagree on what contributes to feelings of uniqueness, but I don't think there is any avoid that many asking for expanded options are doing it to break away from the conformity created by locked emotes.

When it comes to race uniqueness though, are poses really the biggest contributor on the list? What about looks? If poses were universal, a highlander is still going to stick out from an aura exactly as much..

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I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

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It's literally just gender based animations where gender neutral animations exist and have always existed. It is not making everything neutral, it's just a small selection of things that don't touch racial uniqueness. You're missing the entire point and are conflating the homogenization of racial uniqueness with making things more fair by gender regardless of what gender you play as.