Pulling During Cutscene

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Tank is the person to set the pace of the group. If he wants to pull during cutscene well within his or her right to do it. If they feel they can start the fight while you enjoy the show, I'm not sure why that bothers some people. *shrugs*

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Incorrect. In the old days of MMO sure, but now with the change of how FF14 is with linear dungeons and wall to wall pulls (which BTW both SE and the player base have made the norm) everyone needs to agree on the pace.

If the tank wants to wall to wall pull but the rest of the group aren't comfortable with it, then the tank needs to compromise, leave, or make a PF group. One person dictating the fun and what others do in a public game is incorrect.

I also want to add, pulling during CS can happen by accident. I've had lag spikes or not paid attention then WHOOP, the boss charging myself or another player in the group. A fair amount of times apologies were said and we moved on. Very, VERY rarely has anyone lost their head and freaked out.

If I'm on tank, I will wait for cutscenes to finish (although I've failed to notice on occasion). I generally take being in the battle arena as a sign of being ready. If I'm on some other class, I don't care enough to raise a stink as long as the fight goes smoothly. But if a pull happens during a cutscene, the puller (so tank, usually) loses any right to complain about a wipe on that pull.

If i'm thinking straight, at the begining you can can't move if someone end watching cutscene right? So what if at the end we have similiar barrier that stops you f.e 60sec and then you can pull? Maybe for not everything, but those heavy story moments? It will gibe a moment for watching a cutscene, and even more time to join battle?

Oh, man. The "I have a job, my time is too precious to wait while you experience the game's story" excuse. I just had a hilarious example of that. I decided to run The Praetorium again because I "need" the tomestones and it's an awesome dungeon. One of the other DPS (I think a ninja, not sure since I don't recognize most icons on sight) started whining about the unskippable cutscenes and how they waste his valuable time because he has a job, and and every second not getting xp is wasted time. So I asked him why he joined the dungeon, and he said he just queues up Duty Roulette.

If having a job makes your time so limited that you can't handle having to watch or wait for the cutscenes, then why the frell are you queuing up using Duty Finder as DPS? You can be waiting anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour waiting for a dungeon group as DPS.

Side note, "if the content has been out for a few weeks nobody should wait for people watching cutscenes" is a remarkably elitist attitude to have. It completely disregards the fact that there will new players coming in. An MMO needs new players to sustain it's self since older players can and do move on. A community that chases off new players is an MMO community looking for their community to die out.

It’s like when you have dinner with people, and you wait till everyone has their food before you begin. Very basic manners, common courtesy. That people can even find that up for debate seems very odd to me.

Patience is a virtue. It’s a good character trait. When people lack it, I won’t give them abuse over it but I may comment on the behaviour depending on circumstances. I’ll definitely not wish to spend my time with that person again tho. It’s irrelevant whether they’re being impatient with me, or with someone else. It shows a lack of empathy and hints at a selfish streak and immaturity. Very unattractive. Mistakes can happen obviously, I’ll usually assume that first. But if it becomes clear this is who you are.. well.

In this case the game tells a story. It was intended that way. People who want to experience that story are in no way selfish, they simply enjoy the experience as it was intended. Respect that. Not just for them, but also for those who created this story with the enjoyment of players in mind.

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Originally Posted by Titania40

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Weren’t you just caught making up stories in the tales from the duty finder thread?
I think you’re the one claiming to be kicked right at the start when people have the 5 minute protection from a vote dismiss

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Originally Posted by Trobon

You're using DF because doing so gives you a big boost of XP. You get that boost to encourage people to run the game with people who haven't already and on top of that you get a first time bonus for running it with someone who has never run it before. You get all of this because first time players should be given the chance to experience the content for the first time in the way it was intended. Otherwise, again they may as well just make it all unskippable. If this is the way the community is going to push against new players then I sure will support anyone who asks for that in the future and I bet most of those new players you are ruining the experience for will too.

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I run DF for the daily tomestones, you're reading design intentions into the daily roulette based on one perspective that of a new player.
You're not experiencing it as it was intended either to begin with because the numbers are completely overtuned for early content the developers have even acknowledged this themselves, you don't even get to see all of the boss phases because things die too fast and you can ignore 99% of mechanics.

It's not about pushing against new players it's about the fact that I've played the game since ARR and seen these cutscenes repeatedly for years already.
If you join a game this late you're never going to get the same experience it's totally unrealistic and unreasonable to expect that.

Games that aren't as story based still have daily roulettes too, you can't only look at it from one perspective and act like there is only one correct perspective here.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

If you join a game this late you're never going to get the same experience it's totally unrealistic and unreasonable to expect that.

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All the more reason for the rest of us to try to preserve as much of the experience as possible for those who come after us.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

you don't even get to see all of the boss phases because things die too fast and you can ignore 99% of mechanics.

If you join a game this late you're never going to get the same experience it's totally unrealistic and unreasonable to expect that.

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These are really good points. A friend I invited to the game in ShB has only heard tell of some mechanics. Never experienced them herself. Syrcus Tower comes to mind, 2nd boss I believe? With the electric circles on the floor you’re supposed to stand in to make them vulnerable. Or how to deal with the skeletons on first boss of Labyrinth.
If the experience comes s really important, new ppl or some of the community should make party finders set to min ilvl. That’s the only way to get the actual experience.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I run DF for the daily tomestones, you're reading design intentions into the daily roulette based on one perspective that of a new player.
You're not experiencing it as it was intended either to begin with because the numbers are completely overtuned for early content the developers have even acknowledged this themselves, you don't even get to see all of the boss phases because things die too fast and you can ignore 99% of mechanics.

It's not about pushing against new players it's about the fact that I've played the game since ARR and seen these cutscenes repeatedly for years already.
If you join a game this late you're never going to get the same experience it's totally unrealistic and unreasonable to expect that.

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You run DF for the daily tomestones which you get because you are giving something up (rerunning old content). Its not rewarding you out of the goodness of the devs hearts. That's the point, its a symbiotic thing. New players get to experience the content and vets get to get rewarded with XP boosts and tomestones. This is the same thing when vets say Ex trials should be removed from Mentor roulette. The reason the Ex trials are in there is to help new players complete those, the mentor roulette is not there simply to give mentors access to a special mount. It is there for a specific reason and rewards mentors with a mount in order to accomplish that.

Likewise, leveling DF is there for a specific reason and rewards you for it. And no it is not unreasonable for new players to expect to be able to play the MSQ as intended and watch the cutscenes while still participating in the fight in whatever manner they can, when the game forces people to group up for it. If it were then MSQs wouldn't have gotten unskippable cutscenes.