*SPOILERS* Terrified for the remaining Scions!

I can see why most here are not best selling authors. People love heros, I don't want to see the scions killed off. I want to see the WoL story expanded. I want to go through a dark moment in my convictions. I want to wander the world find my purpose again and come back renewed for the fight. If you want to be a bad guy this game is not for you. I would rather be good and conflicted too show my humanity, is the WoL even human or alive in the way we perceive life in this game. I don't want them all to die that's just silly and useless. Where would the story go from there? How will you explain their death and where would the story go from there. Some of the ideas are ridiculously flawed destroying the story because? As someone asked before 'who hurt you people? '

I think some of them should get killed off simply because it's the end of the story thus far and the next expansion will likely start something new entirely.
So I kinda think it makes sense now to get a fresh start, personally I also want more Lyse and Yugiri and more development for them ( I am biased because I main MNK and like NIN too, but I still think there's potential ).

I mean I don't want them to die, just that I think some of them should and that it'd be more interesting.
I don't agree with the sentiment from some tho that none of the deaths have mattered or been felt, when Haurchefant died I felt that and Ysayle I think was underutilized but her big moment was still awesome and I was sad to see her go.
Same with Yotsuyu's death.

Again tho I don't necessarily want this, but I do however think that characters we're closer to ( as in the main party ) dying makes a lot of sense for Endwalker.
And I do think it becomes a bit hard to take the stakes seriously when the plot armor is too obvious, it kinda makes you stop taking threats seriously.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I think some of them should get killed off simply because it's the end of the story thus far and the next expansion will likely start something new entirely.
So I kinda think it makes sense now to get a fresh start, personally I also want more Lyse and Yugiri and more development for them ( I am biased because I main MNK and like NIN too, but I still think there's potential ).

I mean I don't want them to die, just that I think some of them should and that it'd be more interesting.
I don't agree with the sentiment from some tho that none of the deaths have mattered or been felt, when Haurchefant died I felt that and Ysayle I think was underutilized but her big moment was still awesome and I was sad to see her go.
Same with Yotsuyu's death.

Again tho I don't necessarily want this, but I do however think that characters we're closer to ( as in the main party ) dying makes a lot of sense for Endwalker.
And I do think it becomes a bit hard to take the stakes seriously when the plot armor is too obvious, it kinda makes you stop taking threats seriously.

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I can understand this. Maybe some of them will retire go back to their homelands to help rebuild. My heart is torn, as I have become attached to the scions. What I want is for a deeper delve into the WoL I want to struggle at some point with my choices. I want to have a moment of being lost and not looked too as the savior. I want to find out who I really am. As the WoL we woke up in a carriage, who were we before that where were we born? Who were our parents? Did we have a home, a family? Or were we a being created by hydelyn? I want a moment in the story of finding myself. Hear, feel, think. I don't want to be a bad guy but maybe make a show of my human weaknesses. The acians have been behind every major plot line. There comes a reaconing at some point. Acians gave the dragon eyes to ilberd (sp) which resulted in the death of one of the first scions we met. His sacrifice was noble and not stupid. WoL could not have handled that primal at that point. To want characters to die without providing which way the story should go is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I think some of them should get killed off simply because it's the end of the story thus far and the next expansion will likely start something new entirely.
So I kinda think it makes sense now to get a fresh start, personally I also want more Lyse and Yugiri and more development for them ( I am biased because I main MNK and like NIN too, but I still think there's potential ).

I mean I don't want them to die, just that I think some of them should and that it'd be more interesting.
I don't agree with the sentiment from some tho that none of the deaths have mattered or been felt, when Haurchefant died I felt that and Ysayle I think was underutilized but her big moment was still awesome and I was sad to see her go.
Same with Yotsuyu's death.

Again tho I don't necessarily want this, but I do however think that characters we're closer to ( as in the main party ) dying makes a lot of sense for Endwalker.
And I do think it becomes a bit hard to take the stakes seriously when the plot armor is too obvious, it kinda makes you stop taking threats seriously.

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What do you mean Lyse? Lyse is done, finished.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I can see why most here are not best selling authors.

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You may very well be surprised by the identities of some of the people playing this game.

Especially since many best selling authors can be attributed to writing characters who are compelling enough to undergo actual consequences.

There's also a sizeable portion of people who don't particularly care for hero worship or the concept of 'heroes' in general. Tastes differ and MMO's, by their very nature, appeal to a broad variety of tastes. Given the sheer popularity of some of the antagonists in this game, I'd say it's fair to let them get in some meaningful victories from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I can understand this. Maybe some of them will retire go back to their homelands to help rebuild. My heart is torn, as I have become attached to the scions. What I want is for a deeper delve into the WoL

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This is really one of my biggest desires in seeing some of the cast be retired. Because we've been with, in particular, Alphi from the beginning and he's been at the core of so much of what's happened it's felt a lot like we've been sort of second just hand playing Alphi's story. He's had all this growth and these personal challenges that he's overcome, and the WoL has felt a lot like his sidekick rather than him being ours. Nothing against Alphi as I've grown to really like his character over the years but they really need to put him to the side. I do understand that they can't really write the story around the WoL purely because everyone's WoL is different, but by surrounding our WoL with different characters and different perspectives, with their own motivations and storylines, we'll still be able to explore different aspects of our own character. Heck, I think that this is really one of the reasons why ShB is so beloved, particularly as it relates to it's antagonists. So yeah, by putting the old guard Scions off to the side it will allow our own characters to grow in ways they just can't by continually forcing us into the lives of these characters we've already been walking in the shadow of for years.

Now, does this require us to kill off the Scions? No. But, that said, I do think that death is and should be a possible outcome. No one should just die for no reason, and some characters should certainly just be retired (Thancred can slink back into the shadows or even return to the First, Urianger can abscond to the Crystal Tower and it's stores of knowledge, YShtola can take over as Master Matoya for real, Alphi can stay in Sharlayan as a new representative on the Council, etc.). I also agree with the perspective that there is a lack of consequence in a lot of what the Scions do, particularly when some "guaranteed" deaths end up getting retconned for no good reason. Yes some major characters have died, but it has almost always been side characters that have basically just been introduced so they can die.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

With him around, looking at us with those big eyes and wiggly ears.... it kinda feels like we are already there

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That's more like Heaven surely

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Originally Posted by Theodric

You may very well be surprised by the identities of some of the people playing this game.

Especially since many best selling authors can be attributed to writing characters who are compelling enough to undergo actual consequences.

There's also a sizeable portion of people who don't particularly care for hero worship or the concept of 'heroes' in general. Tastes differ and MMO's, by their very nature, appeal to a broad variety of tastes. Given the sheer popularity of some of the antagonists in this game, I'd say it's fair to let them get in some meaningful victories from time to time.

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Honestly I don't care about the identites of the players and if they are book writers. What I care about is the continuation of the journey of the WoL. I didn't say there should be no death I said I would rather they give the WoL a failure or two or a journey of their own. Or that we become dispondent and want to persue who we are. That is why I asked are we even a being who was born into this world or some vessel that carries the crystals essence? Hear, feel, think. These are words in my mind of a created being specifically made to be the WoL being breathed life into. But, think do we as a portrait of the WoL really have a past? I want us to falter along the way to feel dispair and know we are a part of the world. The scions are to me like a group of friends some fall along the way and some just fade away. Not unlike real life. I want a deeper delve into the WoL and who they really are. But to kill the scions all off is not really moving the story along. Honestly I love this story I will not disparage the author as some have done in this thread. I can say what I want without being a diva thinking my opinion is the only one. I just don't thinking killing them all is the way to achieve that end.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

What do you mean Lyse? Lyse is done, finished.

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I want her to be a Scion again :(...

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Case in point Graha at the end of ShB where it was an insanely big plot hole that just ruined the story for me, all to keep some of the characters alive.

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How is G'raha surviving a plot hole?