Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

Oh, bless your heart! I am not disputing whether or not people are gaming the system, darling. I am disputing your value judgment. You think it's bad and should be against the rules. I (and many others) do not, given the current reward structure. Pay attention to the second part, cupcake, the value judgment is the "opinion" in question.


I hope that clears it up for you, hun.

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You know, the only one who is being condescending in this thread now is you. You can't really blame them for responding to you in due recourse.

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

Oh, bless your heart! I am not disputing whether or not people are gaming the system, darling. I am disputing your value judgment. You think it's bad and should be against the rules. I (and many others) do not, given the current reward structure. Pay attention to the second part, cupcake, the value judgment is the "opinion" in question.


I hope that clears it up for you, hun.

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I think you should calm down at this point...

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Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

However, a well built system will minimize the number of people willing or able to do so. Just changing around ilvl requirements for the roulettes would make this kind of instance evasion much harder. People who want the roulette rewards, but feel entitled to not having to do Orbonne or Weeping City or whatever, will have to eat the half hour penalty or hope someone else does before them.

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Partially agree, the system should be adjusted to push people into higher level duties, but again if they don't scale the exp, then there is still no benefit to sticking through Orbonne because a bad Orbonne run just takes too long to be worth it.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

You know, the only one who is being condescending in this thread now is you. You can't really blame them for responding to you in due recourse.

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I thought it was pretty obvious I was exaggerating to make a point, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

Oh, bless your heart! I am not disputing whether or not people are gaming the system, darling. I am disputing your value judgment. You think it's bad and should be against the rules. I (and many others) do not, given the current reward structure. Pay attention to the second part, cupcake, the value judgment is the "opinion" in question.


I hope that clears it up for you, hun.

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Gaethan_Tessula had the right of it. My first use of "hun" was not meant to be patronizing, but the second was an expression of irritation. Its a word I just use whenever, same way I use it in real life. Of course, SerLuke couldn't have known that, but the fact he got so worked up over one word (like you), focusing on that instead, rather than my argument, says more about him than it does me.... same goes for you.

Really, you're trying far too hard at this point.

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

I thought it was pretty obvious I was exaggerating to make a point, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Nah, you were just taking perceived condescension and doing the exact same thing you got so worked up over.

Fighting fire with fire doesn't accomplish anything. Especially when the fire wasn't even legitimate in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Gaethan_Tessula had the right of it. My first use of "hun" was not meant to be patronizing, but the second was an expression of irritation. Its a word I just use whenever, same way I use it in real life. Of course, SerLuke couldn't have known that, but the fact he got so worked up over one word (like you), focusing on that instead, rather than my argument, says more about him than it does me.... same goes for you.

Really, you're trying far too hard at this point.

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Again, I was exaggerating to make a point, nobody talks like that in real life (I hope).

And I did actually address the substance of your thoughts as well. I don't think it's wrong to game the system because there is an incentive to do it. Someone proposed a min. iLvl to queue for alliance based on your job level to prevent it from happening, and I think that would be a good idea provided the exp scales appropriately. As it is now, there is no reason not to game the system other than 'some people are tired of LotA/ST' and 'helping new people.'

And, in case you doubt my motivations, I have never cheesed my iLvl to avoid a higher level duty, and the idea didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread. I do whatever the roulette gives me, but I can understand why other people don't.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Nah, you were just taking perceived condescension and doing the exact same thing you got so worked up over.

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No, I genuinely was not being serious. But you're right, fighting fire with fire often results in burns u_u

Maybe they should just have an entirely different roulette for the higher level raids. "Normal" ones included. It'd be nice to not do the Crystal Tower or the first tier of Alexander for once.

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

Again, I was exaggerating to make a point, nobody talks like that in real life (I hope).

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Nah, you were just taking perceived condescension and doing the exact same thing you got so worked up over.

Fighting fire with fire doesn't accomplish anything. Especially when the fire wasn't even legitimate in the first place.

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Using this qoute because Kaoru_Nagisa expressed it well enough.

The problem is, as people are wont to do on the internet, you jumped the gun and got worked up over one word that never carried the meaning you thought it did (initially, anyway), then attempted to wrap it in the guise of "making a point", looking foolish in the process. One would think people would learn by now not to make certain assumptions on the internet; however, I'm willing to cede the point given the number of trolls that lurk out there, and genuine ill-wishers, so your assumption that I intended the same is not entirely without merit.

As for your comment on the roulette, while I'm still dubious of such claims (I don't know you, after all) I still wholeheartly disagree. Gaming the system was clearly never intended (else the devs never would have addressed it's a problem) and it ruins the experience for many, whether players are new, or simply tired of seeing the same bloody things over and over. I genuinely like the astetics of Lab/Tower, but it's been soured somewhat given how many times I've seen them, and how easily we just stream-roll through them these days. It's dull as dirt.

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Originally Posted by Kanitezz

Maybe they should just have an entirely different roulette for the higher level raids. "Normal" ones included. It'd be nice to not do the Crystal Tower or the first tier of Alexander for once.

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Eh... I'm split on this. The ilvl-reducers would just choose the lower level roulettes, which could workout for newer players (depending), but for the other roulette queue times would likely stay the same or end up tanking due to a lack of people. Given we don't know how many players artificially lower their ilvl, it's hard to say for certain.