Shatter

What is a premade ? some players with a vocal maybe playing the pvp how it should be played.
They win because players aren't waiting a regroup, don't cooperate and feed endlessy not waiting to be enough to fight them in most case.
If a premade is too good and attack your base, you can even just run and take the base of the enemy, it will make this premade retreat because if there nobody to fight, there no reason to stand in the enemy base.

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Originally Posted by Enlial

Ive seen I think 2 noteworthy groups on aether that could loosely be considered premades, and I do frontline's a lot. I see a lot of groups of people from the same server, presumably queuing together, whom playing against doesn't feel any different than randoms (no offense to anyone)

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Thats true one of the reason I only ever joined the same premade all the time because most premades since garo are just new ppl where it doesnt matter if they premade or not. In the end instead of complaining ppl should just let it go its only fl and its not like u running into premades all the time.

http://imgur.com/a/fOgYN

I always tought Shatter was hybrid of Secure and Seize with small twist so this is how i see it should be played. There is of course diffirent methods to win but this should atleast work when match starts, it allows double base capture and double flanking(assuming everyone goes to mid like usually)with support from group B in middle or groups A and C goes for ices that might spawn in enemy territory while B snipes kills from both teams in middle.

Maybe stuff like this only works if all teams are premades and not with PuG, it would be cool to see matches like that even with PuG tho. Too bad there are no rated frontlines :s

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Originally Posted by Synestra

http://imgur.com/a/fOgYN

I always tought Shatter was hybrid of Secure and Seize with small twist so this is how i see it should be played. There is of course diffirent methods to win but this should atleast work when match starts, it allows double base capture and double flanking(assuming everyone goes to mid like usually)with support from group B in middle or groups A and C goes for ices that might spawn in enemy territory.

Maybe stuff like this only works if all teams are premades and not with PuG, it would be cool to see matches like that even with PuG tho. Too bad there are no rated frontlines :s

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Alliance splitting died with Secure. It fell out of practise as more 24 man fights started instead of 72, and by the time Seize came about it was all bit lost with the mob mentality taking over, trying to move as a unified group. The groups that pulled it off were almost always successful which caused everyone else to want to do the same thing. Sadly it's not as easy to get that many people to move as a group.

I for one would love to see alliance splitting back again.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It fell out of practise as more 24 man fights started instead of 72

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I still dont understand why they removed 48man instead 24man in secure, its totally diffirent mode with 24man and has nothing to do with "secure", its more like slaughter with bases that nobody cares...

kinda wish S.E had the option to either que for 24 or 72 or a thing where you can see how many players are in que like in PVE
would be great if feast had that option to see what class is missing as well

I love how people are trying to support not allowing friends to form premades because they are "unfair" and "have an advantage" by being able to communicate with your group.

Yet every frontlines I've been in, someone is shouting directions and flagging locations where to go and what to focus, yet 80% of alliances are off doing their own thing not listening and coordinating.

Perhaps the problem isn't the premades but the lack of reading comprehension...

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Originally Posted by Kaisinel

I love how people are trying to support not allowing friends to form premades because they are "unfair" and "have an advantage" by being able to communicate with your group.

Yet every frontlines I've been in, someone is shouting directions and flagging locations where to go and what to focus, yet 80% of alliances are off doing their own thing not listening and coordinating.

Perhaps the problem isn't the premades but the lack of reading comprehension...

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I second this.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

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Me too, I wish we could get back to Party coordination and alliance splitting to even just some extent.. I think the RNG mechanics of Seize & Shatter are the culprit as to why not. Even the best coordination efforts struggle to work because there's too little time to explain, windows of opportunity open and close so quickly that there's just no point in making the effort in communicating..

or circumstance can change so quickly on a dime that half of the time you're retracting your own instructions anyway. Safer to just travel as a mob, where you're essentially communicating with your avatar's moment, doing a follow-the-leader/puller.

If RNG is still the theme of future Frontlines, maybe they could mix that RNG with an occasional or a single Scripted event in the match. Some scripted foundation to coordinate from could help with alliance cohesiveness.

Because right now we do not need our 2+ minute wait time at the onset of Frontline Campaigns of Shatter/Seize. Nothing to discuss but GLHF.

Basically never hit ice in Shatter and never got kicked lol