But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

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Originally Posted by PriestAlseid

Question!

I was running a dungeon on my SMN and the healer was an SCH but they weren't doing DPS. I read somewhere that DoTs don't stack, is that true?

If yes, ah okay.

If no, -now- I get the whole "DPS" as heals thing, cause I was like, "You're standing around. You could DoT that, and that, press your Bane button."

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i m pretty sure both SMN and SCH can apply DoT without issues

i never force healer to dps

but when i heal, i found it boring just standing there

when i heal, i first observe how my team do, may be after 1st boss. i have confident about my party

i will drop DoT and some attack spell, but i would first do it without cleric stance until i m very sure

i dont play SCH much, not sure how it compare to WHM and AST

yet, i always find there are time allow me to at least drop some DoT when playing WHM and AST, unless the tank pulling all mobs from start to first boss

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

i m pretty sure both SMN and SCH can apply DoT without issues

but when i heal, i found it boring just standing there

when i heal, i first observe how my team do, may be after 1st boss. i have confident about my party

i will drop DoT and some attack spell, but i would first do it without cleric stance until i m very sure

i dont play SCH much, not sure how it compare to WHM and AST

yet, i always find there are time allow me to at least drop some DoT when playing WHM and AST, unless the tank pulling all mobs from start to first boss

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Yeah standing there only healing is boring as hell.

As a SCH main I always DPS regardless of my tank, throw aldo on them before they pull and together with Selene/Eos you'll have plenty of time to switch to Clerics Stance, cast your dots and bane them into the pack at the very least and switch back to heal the damage before using Ruin/Broil until the dots are close to wearing off. Then just repeat :p

Don't forget you have Rouse to give your fairy a heal boost on larger packs as well as Eye for an eye too. There's plenty of ways to mitigate damage as a SCH to allow you to DPS easily

Stance dancing is clunky and I'd rather spend my time frantically healing groups instead of applying DoTs and spamming Stone 3 like some ghetto mage.

But that's not the hand we're dealt.

Well if you don't want to DPS it's okay, you're a healer after all but it may be required in really extreme DPS checks in endgame raids. To be honest, you'll see that even keeping everyone topped and shielded leaves you plenty of free time after you reach max level and have a good gear.. you'll find yourself wanting to DPS to not get bored LOL.

That said, SCH have fairies healing machine and nice DoTs and all so it's pretty intuitive that you can DPS, WHM and AST are less but they give you so many powerful offensive skill as a WHM and you can even keep 3 HoTs running at the same time healing people more than what they need so yeah.. what to do what to do? You can jump around or you can DPS!

AST is the way to go if you don't want to DPS, you can DPS with that too but other than your healing kit being a mix of the other two, leading to not be a master of neither, you have an internal party buff mechanic that fill your time, still you have a powerful DoT and a cool offensive AoE you may want to use in the right timing.

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Originally Posted by Greven

Well if you don't want to DPS it's okay, you're a healer after all...

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I can't even bring myself to soften the blow with lead-in statements like this anymore. I see the words and recognize the good intention, but what I actually read is "Well if you don't want to try very hard it's okay, you're a healer after all."

Let's just be perfectly honest and tell people they are purposefully being bad if they have the ability to DPS and choose not to. I don't believe in any kind of healer's prerogative to do the bare minimum and have that be okay.

People who are still learning the game (like the OP) or a particular encounter? They get a pass. No one is expected to be born knowing how to play the game. Is their party so terrible that it requires constant babysitting? Then there understandably might be less time to DPS. Healers playing under normal or better conditions with a normal or better party? No excuse to slack.

But...I... I don't want to dodge. I'm a DPS. [One-shots exempt.]

Seriously though, you should be using whatever resources you have, be it excess mana, free time, or comparatively high-execute-potency attacks. To not do so is no different than if a tank decided not to pop CDs or a dps decided to take a break mid-fight. You may see it as "out of role," but in the end, it's all just party output. Tanks both mitigate (resulting in less healing necessary) and dps, and DPS, by killing enemies, essentially have no choice but to cause overall mitigation/reduce total healing needs. You heal damage, absorb damage, deal damage. It's really... all... damage. Figuring out the best way to optomize output vs. resource is what makes you able to clear things faster, which, like it or not, is the only real measure of success available. Their are no pure roles, even the healer, but instead only classes with, say, reliable healing spells and whose priorities fit that fact. And that's where a lot of the fun comes in. Know your party CDs, and know when you or your tank can go ham. It's a fun trade of allowance of power, that makes you feel not only more than just a heal bot, but more than a single player/character.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

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If you took the time to read, and understand the entire post you'd have it clear I promote healers DPS, and you'd probably get that I DPS as well when I'm the healer.

This thread is from a new player obviously worried about what is the real role of an healer in this game, it's just normal to go kind with it as you don't know the person situation. I understand that you may be burned out about this same topic being discussed over and over bit throwing your frustration around will do nothing good. This game is not yours to make people play and do as you want. What if someone doesn't want to do their best? Well, your "perfectly honest" isn't honest at all, there are plenty of bad players and they have the same right over the this game as you do.

So calm down your raging synapses and instead of scaring away new players try their point of view.

all i can say is dont bother using damage spells WITHOUT cleric stance on. ur just wasting gcds and basically throwing pebbles at the mobs.

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Originally Posted by Greven

If you took the time to read, and understand the entire post you'd have it clear I promote healers DPS, and you'd probably get that I DPS as well when I'm the healer.

This thread is from a new player obviously worried about what is the real role of an healer in this game, it's just normal to go kind with it as you don't know the person situation. I understand that you may be burned out about this same topic being discussed over and over bit throwing your frustration around will do nothing good. This game is not yours to make people play and do as you want. What if someone doesn't want to do their best? Well, your "perfectly honest" isn't honest at all, there are plenty of bad players and they have the same right over the this game as you do.

So calm down your raging synapses and instead of scaring away new players try their point of view.

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If you took the time to read and assumed less, you'd have seen that I acknowledged both the intention of your post and the plight of the new and/or overwhelmed player in that same post that you are now calling out.

As for bad players, of course they have the right to play the game...just as the players upon whom they inflict themselves have the right to call it out. This players' rights spiel goes both ways.

^ Exactly.

I really don't mind new players or players unfamiliar with an encounter not DPSing. I also don't mind it when the tank is getting demolished for whatever reason and you're forced to heal spam.

However, I don't understand why people refuse to DPS. The damage potency on healer spells in this game is gigantic. Why would you not take advantage of this? Seriously, look at how much damage a healer can pump out even for a short amount of time. On large packs of enemies in ilvl ~170 gear, my SCH is basically a third DPS that can speed up runs by 5-10 minutes depending, and that requires three Cleric Stance casts (four if you can afford to Shadow Flare). The amount of damage healers can do should be incentive enough to want to DPS.