Bard - they broke my job

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

If you can let me know what you are doing with minuet (ie opener/priority), since I can't seem to outparse my non-minuet parse. I don't have the Hive Bow yet but yes, 830ish without minuet with i180 weapon is what I am getting on dummy (no food/pot/party). If you could I'd appreciate the parse to be on IL180 bow too so that I can get a fair comparison. Thanks much.

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I leave up minuet the entire time. My opener was something like HE RS B4B SS IR WB BL VB Barrage EA HS SW HS FA -> YOLO. My priority is tenatively BL always gets used, then try to fit in one non bl ogcd per gcd, delaying gcds as necessary. After that I'm just working on mastering my ironjaws timings so that I'm reapplying them as late as possible without dropping ( I still drop all the fucking time and its annoying as hell). New bard is freaking rough.

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Originally Posted by MrYaah

I leave up minuet the entire time. My opener was something like HE RS B4B SS IR WB BL VB Barrage EA HS SW HS FA -> YOLO. My priority is tenatively BL always gets used, then try to fit in one non bl ogcd per gcd, delaying gcds as necessary. After that I'm just working on mastering my ironjaws timings so that I'm reapplying them as late as possible without dropping ( I still drop all the fucking time and its annoying as hell). New bard is freaking rough.

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I guess you are getting more used to the new bard than I do. My minuet parse yes leaving it always on, my opener is about the same as you: RS-HE-BFB => BL => SS => IR => WB => FA => VB => Barrage+EA => SW => YOLO

I guess IJ timing is a major problem for me since I happen to either do it too early or too late, causing drops. It's much tougher to predict the timing by using cast time (since fairy can affect your skill speed) rather than previously, just see the DoT timer as the skill is instant. And of course since IJ just merely resets the timer but doesn't carries a buffed DoT over, there will be times where your IR/RS/HE buff is up and I need to manually reapply DoTs so that they enjoy the buff and it causes problems because the timer for both DoTs coincide with SS buff timer and you realized that EA/Repelling/Blunt/BL are all up again.

And my face was "oh god why...."

I'm pretty sure it is a double reapplication based on current buffs so if you have IR RS HE up when you use IJ it will get those buffs, I'll double check but thats what I remember determining.

Yes, IJ refresh DoTs with the buffs you currently have.

Oh I mean when you re-apply IJ when you have no buff status, the DoTs are normal DoTs at 18s each so when the next time you have IR/HE/BFB/RS up then there's a need to manually reapply each not so that you get buffed DoTs again.

That effectively makes you have to do 1 more "cast" which becomes a problem when your OGCDs refreshes at the same time. Too many skills need to go off at that instance.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

I guess you are getting more used to the new bard than I do. My minuet parse yes leaving it always on, my opener is about the same as you: RS-HE-BFB => BL => SS => IR => WB => FA => VB => Barrage+EA => SW => YOLO

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Hm. Assuming you have 2.5 seconds cooldown, you get roughly 9.5 seconds left with 3 offensive CD up. Enough to fit in IJ, but I think it's possible to use EA twice in an opener, if you use EA in the beginning and delay Barrage'd EA. You'll be clipping GCD, but you're clipping GCD with this opener anyway.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

But all endgame bards I ever saw, stood still most of the time anyway. The needless, superfluous movements some bards make, simply don't need to happen. You don't have to be able to run around at all times, the game doesn't require it and SE knows this. Furthermore, most bards have complained about a loss of dps over other jobs for some time, SE gave them the option to have similiar dps to other jobs and the result is more complaints it would appear.

It will be interesting if SE does anything with WM.

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So what if we didn't move by your observation? It's the casting as bard that has alot of bards up in arms. Your argument is flawed there. We could and can if we don't use WM still insta pew pew.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

I'll have to stop you right there. So you claimed that you witnessed ALL endgame bards in action? and all they did was stood there like a dummy?
Do you by chance main a bard enough to call our movement superfluous?

I find it amusing in every thread, there are always these players who doesn't main a bard coming in and tell us "your class is alright, you just do not know how to play it, lol lel rofl". No offence but I really find it amusing because it's like a boy telling a girl "hey, I know how it feels to have pms but deal with it".

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I guess according to this guy we all eat the damage we run to avoid while dpsing on the move. Nooo we just stand there and take it (sarcasm).

Going to try that tonight...open with a EA and then it should be up for the buffed EA later right...seems like it should...not a theory crafter I try things out and see how they work. Good discussion going here everyone...love it. I think that we will find that once we get this down the dps increase will be real. I really think we need to go heavy on ss also since it does affect dots much better now and maybe go let det?? I have noticed that a lot of the leveling gear has a ton of ss on it but not sure about the law gear. Does anyone have any more info on this or tried this out??

im trying to like the new bard...i loved and advocated for a ranger stance that forced me to cast and what not....it wasnt a bad idea if implemented well.

However the new bow-mage feels like rushed and that the brd mechanics dont go well with WM (just bloodletter and SS procs ugh) , i love the new skills E.Arrow is cool (x3 cooler with barrage :D ) and Sidewinder hits like a truck with buffs up , 58 skill is LOL maybe usefull later on :rolleyes:

WM needs to be buffed and maybe alow bard to shot bloodletter even when casting , weapon damage needs a look too , if we are going to be DPS , then we need to be competitive with other ranged jobs (BLM/SMN , both look really strong) otherwise we are going to avoid WM (E.Arrow and IJ ) outside opener and keep playing like 2.0.

SE will try to fix both BRD and MCH stances hope they get it right this time , doubt SE will remove it