Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

Well there is a video of a NIN in full iLvl 110 gear (+115 weapon) who's doing 520 DPS on a training dummy (with group buff and buff food; no other outside help) over the course of ~3 min. This indicates that Ninjas may currently be about on par with MNKs in terms of DPS. But as the exact equipment of said NIN is not known, that parse may probably be the result of full overmelded 110 gear in a low accuracy setup, whereas I've seen MNK vids doing as much as 517 in non-crafted 110 gear (+115 weapon) without group buff or food. So MNK might still be slightly ahead, but not by much.

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Originally Posted by Daweism

I'm 114 DRG with 115 Nexus and I do 520 on a dummy with food and party buff, no potions on an 8 minute parse. I'm using mercy stroke though, lol.

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Yeah, I wish all fights were like dummies :P

Dummies are by no means a trust way to see if a job is good or not in Raid enviroment or compare the balance between jobs. It's there for you to train your rotations and gears, no more.

Specially true for Dragoons, wich one of the most dps nerf is fight movement requeriments, wich you "can't" simulate on a dummie.

Looking forward to the buffs. Personally, I was hoping for something like MNK combos (not losing the bonus, only potency, when miss the target side) and a fix on Jumps animations.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Happened to Summoner at launch. Every new class that get's released will always be followed up by adjustments in the next following patch. Happens in nearly every game.

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Ah well it is lame and the developers do not know how to really balance classes

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Originally Posted by Daweism

I'm 114 DRG with 115 Nexus and I do 520 on a dummy with food and party buff, no potions on an 8 minute parse. I'm using mercy stroke though, lol.

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I'd actually love to see a video of that. There was a guy in a differnt thread claiming similar numbers but in the end it turned out he only pulled 460-470ish.

During dummy parsing shouldn't Mercy Stroke and Misery's End be avoided, though? It's kinda like inflating numbers.

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Originally Posted by Temjiu

I don't think "we" is the appropriate term. More like those two got in a CC argument, specifically Viridiana and Lyrica. not a bad discussion, but probably not needed in this thread.


And I always find these threads fascinating. FotM players crying and opinions flying out the window faster then money during the holidays. Truth be told...it's happening, crying wont do any good, and we'll have to wait to see the changes to know for sure. It will be interesting to see how many people switch classes due to these changes. NIN may lose FotM status on this patch! who will be the next hot ticket for class hoppers? Enquirer wants to know!

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Here I was, thinking lolDGNs was a thing of the past, getting ready for the lolNIN threads....but NOOO....lolDGNs attack again and will continue existing coming this next patch :P

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

I'd actually love to see a video of that. There was a guy in a differnt thread claiming similar numbers but in the end it turned out he only pulled 460-470ish.

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You're welcome to come on my server and parse me and talk numbers, I play on a PS4, never uploaded videos from the PS4 before.

And I'm not claiming anything, I had my static member parse me and those were the results. On T10 and T11 kills on a decent run where I don't get too many mechanics I do about 450 DPS.

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Originally Posted by Daweism

I'm 114 DRG with 115 Nexus and I do 520 on a dummy with food and party buff, no potions on an 8 minute parse. I'm using mercy stroke though, lol.

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You were probably on monk and didn't realize it.

Asked a friend of mine to parse me on a dummy:
Results:
http://i.imgur.com/PbVNWH4.jpg

Gear if anyone is interested:
http://i.imgur.com/D4LSih8.png

Had my friend on monk so I get the str bonus, used one x-potion, 3 or 4 potent poisoning potions and I think i used one Mercy Stroke. I also ate a HQ Black Truffle Risotto.
We get a lot of people claiming to do X amount of dps in X ilvl without some form of evidence. I'm not doubting your 520 parse on your i114 Dragoon with just an i115 weapon. I was just curious how my i120 Dragoon with i130 weapon will do on a dummy. And the results are somewhat surprising that the difference was only a mere 20 dps.
I must be the stereotype loldrg :x

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Originally Posted by Daweism

I'm 114 DRG with 115 Nexus and I do 520 on a dummy with food and party buff, no potions on an 8 minute parse. I'm using mercy stroke though, lol.

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Originally Posted by Orlandeu

You were probably on monk and didn't realize it.

Asked a friend of mine to parse me on a dummy:
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Rotations please, if I'm pulling only 422 as ilvl 110 DRG I must be doing something wrong, although I am using Liberator.

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Originally Posted by Dunncan

Dummies are by no means a trust way to see if a job is good or not in Raid enviroment or compare the balance between jobs.

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It IS a good enough test to see what different jobs can pull when allowed to consistently deal damage while maintaining their attacks. Now, are there any jobs that suffer from potentially losing all of their momentum if they have any of interruption that forcefully removes buff stacks due to the time taken to deal with the interruptions? If all they lose is some of a CD timer and their place in a combo, I'd call it an accurate enough number. If they have to start over with building themselves up, expect the results to be far higher than what's going to happen mid-fight.
If it wasn't subtle enough, Monks and Black Mages are more prone to lose that momentum than Summoners, Dragoons, Bards, and Ninja. So every "Boo hoo Monks still beat Ninja so why nerf Ninja" poster here kind of makes me laugh.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

Rotations please

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I have to admit, I'm also really curious xD
That being said, you should be able to reach 450 dps with your gear. That's what I did the other day (with the Liberator, all that skillspeed felt kinda good) : 3m fight, no party buff, no food and no mercy stroke. Maybe some lucky crits were involved, I dunno.
With my ilvl 115 gear I'm sitting around 490, maybe 500 ~ (same conditions)