It's become a chore to even log on to the game

I'm with you Mihael, I just feel pretty stupid that I was suckered in by the "Final Fantasy" name and played this. I mean none of these characters are even memorable, nor is the content interesting at "end game", you log in clear turn 1-5 you cap myth and log out. Not only that but the developers keep making this game easier as if it wasn't Care Bear enough, and for crying out loud this is an MMO and yet there is no content that instills a sense of competition. inb4someonementionscrappypvpandworldbosses. Tell me, how does the pvp adds to the story? It doesn't! This is just something that was added for people who have nothing else to do in order to distract them from the stale "end game" content and it doesn't even do that. What other reason is there to gear up with coil/myth gear other than to do "harder dungeons/instances"(lol)? Do you get achievements (or PSN trophies) for having a complete set of either? Would you use it in pvp over pvp gear? NO! inb4youreaspeacialsnowflake.

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Originally Posted by Kyoreore

It's the very beginning of this game. You should come back @ its first expansion at least and see how things feel then.

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Only two games have ever gotten better with Expansions:

Dark Age of Camelot: The Shrouded Isles

Everquest: Ruins of Kunark.

Expansions throughout the MMO years except for those two instances have often made the Base product Worse even WoW (widely regarded at its best back in Vanilla pre-TBC) so unless SE sit down and seriously take on board every critism and make steps to fix them, the legacy of MMO Expansions weighs heavily against it getting better.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Only two games have ever gotten better with Expansions:

Dark Age of Camelot: The Shrouded Isles

Everquest: Ruins of Kunark.

Expansions throughout the MMO years except for those two instances have often made the Base product Worse even WoW (widely regarded at its best back in Vanilla pre-TBC) so unless SE sit down and seriously take on board every critism and make steps to fix them, the legacy of MMO Expansions weighs heavily against it getting better.

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Idk if I can agree with this. All of FFXI's expansions were pretty exciting Pre-Abyssea imo. This game just needs a lot more depth which I'm sure will be added. Not counting 1.0 since it never received any real updates in terms of content. Just vhill

Lol mobile. Can't edit posts ftw.

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Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

Enjoy spamming Fire, Fire, fire, Fire, Fire, Ice, I ce, Ice, Ice, Ice 3 years from now on Garuda God Mode, because SE changed their minds and didn't want to retire the Primals at just the Extreme modes!

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Yeah, I'm fairly certain 3 years from now Fire and Ice are going to be the only 2 spells that SE can manage to
keep/put in the game. Well played.

I mean hell, look at XI. They didn't add anything different there in 3 years, either. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Dark Age of Camelot: The Shrouded Isles
Everquest: Ruins of Kunark
Everquest: Scars of Velious
Everquest: Shadows of Luclin
Everquest: Planes of Power
Everquest: Lost Dungeons of Norrath

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Fixed that for ya : D


Anyways, I play a fair amount, and I still have fun every time I log in. I play 2 characters, and do Coil with both every week up to T4, do primals, cap myth, mess with crafting, etc. I play probably like 20 hours a week? Maybe a little more? My FC is small so we didn't blast through content and Coil and X modes.

I am having a very pleasant experience in this game : D

I do agree the world is A BIT bland for an FF game. I think with the expansion of the beast-man tribes it might get a little better. I really prefer the story telling of Everquest (couldn't have guessed that, could you have?) In which every quest or NPC you talk to contributes in some way to an overarching theme per expansion. i.e. Talk to mob_01: "BattleLord EvilFace has invaded our home and enslaved us!", talk to mob_98 3 zones over: "To defeat BattleLord EvilFace, ancient magics must be harnessed, and can only be found in RaidZone_01." Kind of stitching together an overall situation that is brewing, where you don't need to watch cutscenes to understand whats going on, you just get the impression of what happening.

While that is not the case here, the gameplay is engaging if not challenging, the world is astoundingly beautiful, the developers are vocal, active, and producing new content A LOT, and there is a veritable "crap load" of potential. We've got new IPs like Coil of Bahamut, and a HUGE library of untapped pseudo-meta-lore from other FF games (seen this in Crystal Tower being implemented already). We've got A LOT of new classes and jobs that are conceptually drawn out already and only need to be executed. We've got chocobo breeding on the horizon.

I think FFXIV is healthy for the MMO Landscape, in that it satiates the accomplishment-crave that make MMOs so attractive, but it doesn't make me feel like I don't have a chance to be respected in the community if I can only play 2 days in a given week. If you are out of things to do (everything @ 50, DL'ed, AFed all crafting, capped everything for the week, Coil'ed etc) then go for a walk, adopt a pet, volunteer at a homeless shelter.

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Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

Edit: Amyas makes my brain hurt :(

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People starting threads in forums for games they don't even like, or play, or even care about unless their demands are met makes my head hurt.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Only two games have ever gotten better with Expansions:

Dark Age of Camelot: The Shrouded Isles

Everquest: Ruins of Kunark.

Expansions throughout the MMO years except for those two instances have often made the Base product Worse even WoW (widely regarded at its best back in Vanilla pre-TBC) so unless SE sit down and seriously take on board every critism and make steps to fix them, the legacy of MMO Expansions weighs heavily against it getting better.

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You forgot FFXI RoZ and COP

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Originally Posted by Amyas

People starting threads in forums for games they don't even like, or play, or even care about unless their demands are met makes my head hurt.

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I find this counter-productive, Mihael simply put down thoughts into word in a hope that some of those thoughts are shared (it's clear by the number of likes and other posters that they ARE shared). There is a huge difference between going:

"This games bad, you should all feel bad for playing it"

And

"I feel this game has potential, but I'm not enjoying it because..."

Constructive critism, it's what the MMO industry has been crying out for, it's why they put questionaires in subscription cancellation and why they are encouraging people to come forward and explain why they are unhappy. They are trying to put a halt to the Revolving door that is the Modern MMO and being critical of people voicing their opinion? That isn't helping the problem, only adding to it by making less want to come forward.

There is an old saying in retail "For every customer that leaves while voicing their dislike, ten more just left quietly" remember, MMOs are still very much part of that same retail industry model.

Edit: Mattia I'll have to take your word for it as I was probably back in my hardcore raiding days when the FFXI expansions came out (one of the few MMO's I never played)

Let me just say, that if you expect people to not come into your topic with pitchforks you probably shouldn't word the title like that. People will always defend something they love. I don't know how someone who wants to be taken seriously on either side cannot fathom this..?