Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

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Originally Posted by Sephr

Is that despite the general hatred seen in game reviews, and the fact that Yoshida's list even says they're reviewing an auction house system?

Seriously, the level of stupidity of the comments supporting the MWs baffle me. Kilta's trying to suggest that it's faster than an auction house (although as someone who says she played 12 hours a day for 6-7 years on FFXI, it's clear she's happy to totally waste her time), and then we have people saying gems such as "Zoning in MWs is a good thing, last I heard people like zoning!"

Literally unbelievable.



How is that a compromise. People. Should. Not. Be. Punished. For. Wanting. To. Play. The. Game.

Fighting through a shitty ward system isn't what I'd class as playing, grabbing what I need and leaving the city to go kill stuff, is.



Honestly I think I'm just going to ignore Sonic, either he's trolling pretty bad, or he really is totally out of touch and unable to look at the situation this game is in remotely objectively.

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You're very angry. ^^; And it's not punishment, it's convenience at a cost. Just like in real life. And what are you fighting in the wards? Is it that hard to see the red star or the dot on the map?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Funny, I don't see any shipping options under Amazon that I would call a flawed system. The same can't be said for the market wards. I don't mind things taking time. I mind when they're fundamentally flawed and no one wants to fix them.

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What do you mean? They're trying to fix them, also the compromise that Eldaena thought up is a pretty good idea and I typed up an idea a couple of pages ago.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

You started it first, you can't dispute what I said so you type out an insult to me.

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I can and have argued my case damn well. Read above. Rendered retainers brings several issues with MW that literally cannot be fixed, because it's a bad design. Your retorts were personal anecdotes that amount to nothing more than "that's just, like, your opinion, man" with one or two half baked solutions. Crashing will never be as good as a counter/text based system because it's unscalable and there's too much overhead involved in having to render the NPCs. Searching is barely passable, and will still never be as good or as fast as a counter/text based system, because you still have to run back to the search counter after you make your purchase. Maybe if you had put in more effort and thoughts into your posts, I'd have dignified you with better responses.

And for the record, I wasn't even addressing you when I quoted you.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

Honestly I think I'm just going to ignore Sonic, either he's trolling pretty bad, or he really is totally out of touch and unable to look at the situation this game is in remotely objectively.

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You can ignore me if you want, but I'm trying to look at it objectively. I want the people that like owning little shops to be happy and the people that want a quick buy to be happy and I think Eldaena's idea does that.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Funny, I don't see any shipping options under Amazon that I would call a flawed system. The same can't be said for the market wards. I don't mind things taking time. I mind when they're fundamentally flawed and no one wants to fix them.

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I think you're raging a little here...developers are trying to fix things and are exploring several options. Calm down, things are in the making. Just try your best to suggest good ideas and stop complaining so much...we won't get anywhere with all this negativity.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

No, for not using (and I'm kicking myself for saying this), what is working as intended. The Market Wards could use some tlc, no arguement there. But as Sonic said, they are meant to be market wards.

(Double or triple the item cost is a wee bit more than what I was thinking though...)

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If it were working as intended, I wouldn't mind as much. But I doubt SE intended for Battlecraft to always be full and for everyone else that wants to sell weapons to pay 2.5x as much tax. Not that I'm saying the taxes are steep--far from it, but they've actually succeeded in preventing us from doing what they were trying to encourage us to do. If that's working as intended, something is very wrong.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

You're very angry. ^^; And it's not punishment, it's convenience at a cost. Just like in real life. And what are you fighting in the wards? Is it that hard to see the red star or the dot on the map?

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Can't blame him for being angry when people like you and Kilta are posting your crazy posts here (With a hint of rudeness sprinkled into them). Instead of having a convenient system like EVERY OTHER GAME I should have to pay more or be forced to use something that some masochists and people with "unique" tastes prefer? Yeah awesome idea. Game of the year material.

Maybe I should have to pay 1 million gil every time I want to change my controls because GOOD DESIGN COMES AT A PRICE RIGHT?

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

You're very angry. ^^; And it's not punishment, it's convenience at a cost. Just like in real life. And what are you fighting in the wards? Is it that hard to see the red star or the dot on the map?

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Not really angry, it's just frustrating that people seem to enjoy the crappy system, and would continue to try and argue it should be in despite such overwhelmingly negative feedback and it being cited as one of the main reasons by reviewers that the game sucks.

If these forums are the place the majority of feedback is being taken from, that's not likely to change.

I don't see where you're getting this idea from that I find the market wards challenging? You're right, it's not hard to find a stupid red star. The point is, it's also not convenient to have to go find it. I should be able to buy something off the list, the act of having to zone 2+ times to get what I want is just unbelievably stupid, which is precisely why the game bombed so hard. Stupid decisions like that.

I just don't get the positives, what are they? Where are they?

There's no 'immersion' factor in a bunch of lifeless NPCs stood in a gloomy room together, what does it add to the game experience for you people?

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Can't blame him for being angry when people like you and Kilta are posting your crazy posts here (With a hint of rudeness sprinkled into them). Instead of having a convenient system like EVERY OTHER GAME I should have to pay more or be forced to use something that some masochists and people with "unique" tastes prefer? Yeah awesome idea. Game of the year material.

Maybe I should have to pay 1 million gil every time I want to change my controls because GOOD DESIGN COMES AT A PRICE RIGHT?

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You should only be able to run at top speed for a couple of minutes, then have to walk for a while because that's what real life is like. If you want better than that, there's a nasty tax for some magic boots.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Can't blame him for being angry when people like you and Kilta are posting your crazy posts here (With a hint of rudeness sprinkled into them). Instead of having a convenient system like EVERY OTHER GAME I should have to pay more or be forced to use something that some masochists and people with "unique" tastes prefer? Yeah awesome idea. Game of the year material.

Maybe I should have to pay 1 million gil every time I want to change my controls because GOOD DESIGN COMES AT A PRICE RIGHT?

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Raging too, I see. ^^; Do you agree there is a lot of gil in circulation in this game? I wasn't thinking it wouldn't cost as much to tax an instant transaction as Sonic thought, but are you really that against this idea? It's what you want, but not as easy as you wanted it so you're yelling at me?

I'm not crazy, I'm trying to be a mediator. I want everyone to be happy and for things to be fair.