Toxic endgame community...

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Originally Posted by Dreyda

I'm actually glad i left this game in the dust, hearing these elitists preach on their altars about making people skip because it saves them time. You people will be all that's left, then you can cannibalize each other when the others have left. What a joke.

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It is ironic how they are far more like the Garleans, one of the main enemies in the game. The Garleans were too obsessed with results and didn't care really about how they obtained them.

Man, I often think to myself that this is such an awesome game, and I'm having a lot of fun playing. And then I come to the forums and am confronted with what I have to look forward to. A pretty fucked up community expecting people to live up to their standards, giving said people loads of abuse if they actually try to enjoy a dungeon for the first time.

If you want to do a speedrun, then by all means do so. But either you use the DF and accept and respect people wanting to watch cutscenes or you form your own damn party. And no, it really doesn't work in both directions, since the DF is the default way of running a dungeon and cutscenes are in fact designed to be watched as events unfold as opposed to being watched in your inn room afterwards to save those oh so precious minutes of your life being wasted.


Can't wait for these abusive people to get bored and leave for the next MMO they can spoil.

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Originally Posted by kurokawa

It's down to Duty Finder functionality.

It mixes hardcore with casual. There's no separation.

They don't mix well.

If they would just add an option in DF to choose 'hardcore' or 'casual' then this issue will be sorted.

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The truly hardcore do not pug. They form their own parties, because that's the way to ensure maximum efficiency.

The people you refer to are in between the truly hardcore and the people who just want to do it for the story. In League of Legends, they are known as "Try-hards".

Whatever happened to people just being nice, decent human beings?

When I do any endgame instance via Duty Finder I expect that people haven't done it before and am prepared to help them and give advice, if everyone's done it then it's just a bonus. I guess I'm what you'd call a Cutscene Crusader, I have no problem with people watching cutscenes in their first time through CM and especially Praetorium, it doesn't take much more time and I'd rather someone have a fun experience and begin to contribute to endgame with a positive attitude than have a completely negative experience and just leave the game because they think everyone's a jerk.

I think people just need to relax and actually let other people enjoy the game, I heard somewhere that charity and compassion are all things that make our own selves happier in the long run, it works for me. And just so we're clear, I have full DL and Relic +1 and I'm having a great time in the game, especially when I get to help out my friends.

Philos at the end of those two story dungeons are there as an incentive for players that have already done them to come back and help those who haven't while having a nice reward. They aren't there to be farmed while ruining the experience of those same people that they should be helping. You're free to speedrun them if you want and nobody is going to stop you, but FFS, stop using the Duty Finder for it. People new to those dungeons are most likely to not have a FC to make a premade, but you (supposedly) do.

It's sad, but it seems that those days of players helping each other just for the sake of doing so are long over. SE was wrong to assume that players would be nice and would be willing to help, but that doesn't gives you any right to act like you do and drive people away from the game with your attitude.

There is nothing wrong with asking to skip cutscenes and then explain the boss fights, when you're running it for the 15th time. 1-2 people slowing down 6 is an issue, They are also ridiculously long.

Blame S-E though this though. It should be an epic storyline dungeon for new comers there, not a freaking grind dungeon. I'm repeating myself again...

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Your suggestion just as easily applies to new players wanting to run it. They can form their own pre-made groups specifically to go slowly through it and watch all cutscenes. And from a community/societal standpoint, it makes much more sense for them to the be the ones to make their own groups, since first time runners are by far the minority.

But speaking of compromise, that's exactly what I do. I compromise. You want to watch the cutscenes, which will inconvenience the other seven of us. So as a compromise, I ask you to skip the cutscenes for now, since you can watch them in your room later. That way you can still participate in all fights. However, I offer another compromise that if you don't want to skip cutscenes: you can watch them, but you will run the risk of getting locked out of a boss.

You claim that the seven others being inconvenienced aren't losing anything, but you're wrong. They're losing time... which is the most precious resource in an MMO. You really shouldn't speak of being an adult when you're not even capable of looking at both sides.

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... I believe I addressed all of the points you made in the rest of my post you quoted. Again, a few minutes for ANYONE is not the end of the world. And if it is, why are you spending the time on an uncertainty (such as playing a video game...) if every second is a life or death matter? The compromise I referred to was the fact that the non-story folks still get it done.

Basically, the folks doing it for speed get the short end of the stick, in that it takes a few minutes longer to do something. Fair? Of course not, but it's not a big deal to let the minority have some fun... it's a video game, not a job. You're not gonna be fired from your "job" of playing FFXIV if you take a little longer to do something. Compromise. Be a thoughtful adult where it applies. It's not harmful to give up some things once in a while (such as a few minutes).

Your idea of a compromise isn't much of one. It's basically a dictatorship. Compromise is a mutual understanding and acceptance. Your going through with something regardless of their reply is more along the lines of a threat that's sugar-coated. Don't paint yourself out to be some sort of martyr. You're not wrong to do it, but neither is the person who refuses to skip scenes. I think for your sake, it's important to understand that you're not compromising. You're only suggesting one, despite the intent to go through regardless of the other parties concerns

Once again, I covered pretty much your reply in the quote you referred to.

I think it's important that I should point out that I'm not saying that it doesn't get annoying or whatever after so many goes. I'm just saying that if you rely on the DF for randoms, it's going to be like that. Just keep in mind you're going to ruin someone elses experience if they're there for the story by rushing them. It doesn't matter that they can view it in the inn. MMOs are immersion based games. It kinda breaks the immersion when you're already done with the battles, then go back to see the story that lead up to it.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

...first time runners are by far the minority.

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If they are a small minority, they would have a more difficult time forming a pre-made group for their purposes than you (as a speed runner) would. CM was created as a storyline dungeon, so queuing for CM in the Duty Finder and expecting people to give up on the purpose it was intended for is unfair. Speed runners (and I include myself in this) have turned CM into a spam-fest for tomes. But being that WE'RE the ones bending it to our own purposes, it should be OUR burden to make the groups. First-timers only have one chance to have that first-time experience. And no, watching the CS in the inn does not compare. It will take you all of 10 minutes to put together a CM speed run group that will likely stick together for multiple runs. Strong-arming a Duty Finder group to do it our way makes us a lazy and "toxic" majority.

I thought it might be important to add this link for this important Topic. Maybe it will clear things out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1ts9uENDs

Can see it now - Incoming fix to community issues due to speed running CM and Praetorium -> unavoidable cutscenes.

Until they can put all the cutscenes in the Inn, it's pretty likely that they didn't intend on people rushing the zone. Though, I always esc them myself and haven't ever seen them because my first run people said... watch in the Inn. Obviously, those who say that never tried since you actually can't beyond the first one only.