"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Using the DPS’s health as mitigation is a benefit

Using the DPS mitigation to free up your own mitigation is a benefit

If a DPS pulls first the mobs often group up allowing the tank to easily rip agro in one shot rather than running up first and missing spread out mobs that then fall behind. That grouping ability is a benefit

Healers generate extra resources off DPS taking extra damage such as SGE generating more toxicon stacks by pre shielding the tank and DPS, that is a benefit

Like if your first response to a DPS pulling isn’t to throw a tantrum there is plenty of benefits you can draw from it.

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Any and all Dungeons from HW onwards are a corridor, it's hard to miss any stray mobs, and even then I don't see how the DPS couldn't miss them. The only way this could be viable is in an early game dungeon, in wh9ch it is apparently okay for the tank to not pull w2w, at least until it isn't convienient like right now.

I also don't see how a healer would benefit from healing 2 people in one pull except just one.

Also what happened to your "Tank is OP, too many mits" argument?

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Originally Posted by TBerry

But yes, the tank is just an NPC and there is no fault of your own that YPYT is a thing in the first place.

There is etiquette but you choose to ignore it.

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There is etiquette and it doesn't include anything about pulling ahead of the tank. It does say plenty about letting other players die intentionally.

You're responsible for your own actions, not others. If a tank lets a DPS die because they pulled ahead, it's tank who took the decision of not taking the mobs, not the DPS.

Pulling ahead of the tank inconsequential in the 99.9% of the situations and the only reason YPYT exists is because certain kind of tank's egos. The kind of ego that makes up rules to justify griefing.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Any and all Dungeons from HW onwards are a corridor, it's hard to miss any stray mobs, and even then I don't see how the DPS couldn't miss them. The only way this could be viable is in an early game dungeon, in wh9ch it is apparently okay for the tank to not pull w2w, at least until it isn't convienient like right now.

I also don't see how a healer would benefit from healing 2 people in one pull except just one.

Also what happened to your "Tank is OP, too many mits" argument?

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Point 1) just because the mobs are in a straight line doesn’t mean that because of the way their are positioned and hitbox collision that it isn’t easy for some to slip through the cracks, especially if they are positioned in a way that an AOE can’t reach all in one GCD. Tanks often run up to 3-4 mobs spread out and try to AOE them in the centre missing one or two that redirect to a caster. If someone is ahead and grabs agro first then the mobs bunch up around that other player and the tank just grabs agro in one shot, also less wasted GCD’s using shield lob on stray mobs

Point 2) I literally explained that you. An example is toxicon stacks, pre shielding a DPS that then cracks the shield by pulling enemies is a direct benefit to SGE and if I’m playing SGE I WANT the DPS to do that as it’s a benefit to me

Point 3) literally nothing, tanks are OP. Doesn’t mean having even more mitigation by proxy of the DPS is a contradiction to me saying they are too strong. Saying “they have too much but having even more makes them stronger” is literally the foundation of that entire argument, it isn’t a contradiction in the slightest

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

There is etiquette and it doesn't include anything about pulling ahead of the tank. It does say plenty about letting other players die intentionally.

You're responsible for your own actions, not others. If a tank lets a DPS die because they pulled ahead, it's tank who took the decision of not taking the mobs, not the DPS.

Pulling ahead of the tank inconsequential in the 99.9% of the situations and the only reason YPYT exists is because certain kind of tank's egos. The kind of ego that makes up rules to justify griefing.

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It also doesn't say anything about the DPS pulling ahead. It's just etiquette and courtesy that the tank does.
Yeah I still don't see how this isn't a bad faith to justify playing to the detriment of others.

tbf the advantages of a dps pulling in a random group in casual content are obsolete.

its not a big deal when a dps pulls, but neither is it a big advantage in casual content.

i do think though rather than throwing a tantrum the tank should take it as critic for being too slow.

if you wanna take a close look at everything in the dungeon npcs might be the better choice for the first run.

exception: a tank in his very first dungeon. shame on the dps in that case.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

tbf the advantages of a dps pulling in a random group in casual content are obsolete.

its not a big deal when a dps pulls, but neither is it a big advantage in casual content.

i do think though rather than throwing a tantrum the tank should take it as critic for being too slow.

if you wanna take a close look at everything in the dungeon npcs might be the better choice for the first run.

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That would be true if the DPS wouldn't do it regardless of how fast the tank is. This thread is nothing more than excuses for DPS and an attempt to beat tank into submission.
It's bad faith aguments by sweatlords who cannot fathom that the game isn't just there to play optimal.

These people don't care about the rest of the group, they just want to have it their way.

I love how every pro YPYT argument comes down to “you just don’t care about the tank and want them to play how you want” but then the core of YPYT as an action is literally “play how I want or I’ll let you die”

Like why is the tank any more “important” in how they want to play. If the DPS wants to pull ahead and the tank doesn’t why is the tank more “right” in that case and the wishes of the tank should be respected, why not the DPS? If you want your gameplay or playing at your own pace to be respected you should also respect other people want to play at a different pace. Your game pace isn’t more important because it’s slower

Like unless you are in a situation where the tank wants to pull slow and the healer and DPS side with the tank and the other DPS pulls anyway which is just basic adherence to the will of the majority why is the tanks “opinion” on the actions of the rest of the party any more important than anyone else’s. Because the only argument I’ve ever heard about that just comes down a nebulous expectation of “courtesy” that pulling is naturally the tanks role despite nothing backing that up so from there somehow the pace the tank wants is the only expected consideration

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

There is etiquette and it doesn't include anything about pulling ahead of the tank. It does say plenty about letting other players die intentionally.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

It also doesn't say anything about the DPS pulling ahead. It's just etiquette and courtesy that the tank does.
Yeah I still don't see how this isn't a bad faith to justify playing to the detriment of others.

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You're saying there isn't any etiquette rules on DPS pulling ahead then? You realize you're saying exactly the same thing as me, do you? There is no set rule on etiquette that says a DPS shouldn't pull ahead of the tank. And there is no real detriment, other than some very specific players getting uppity about it, or advantage to it either. It's, like I said, inconsequential, meaning if you get upset over something like that, it's on you, not the others. And if you take it on the others by refusing to tank, the only person to blame and deserve the Dismiss vote is you.

Before trying to pin arguments as "bad faith" (saying an argument is in bad faith doesn't magically make it so), do try to actually read the arguments you're answering to.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

You're saying there isn't any etiquette rules on DPS pulling ahead then? You realize you're saying exactly the same thing as me, do you? There is no set rule on etiquette that says a DPS shouldn't pull ahead of the tank. And there is no real detriment, other than some very specific players getting uppity about it, or advantage to it either. It's, like I said, inconsequential, meaning if you get upset over something like that, it's on you, not the others. And if you take it on the others by refusing to tank, the only person to blame and deserve the Dismiss vote is you.

Before trying to pin arguments as "bad faith" (saying an argument is in bad faith doesn't magically make it so), do try to actually read the arguments you're answering to.

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Ah, a gotcha.
Gotcha.

Obviously it's either saying the same and agreeing or saying the opposite and agreeing.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Ah, a gotcha.
Gotcha.

Obviously it's either saying the ssame and agreeing or saying the opposite and agreeing.

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At the risk of repeating myself. Just because you point your finger and say what I say is a "gotcha" doesn't make that a "gotcha".

Not to mention absolutely nothing here addresses my points. What is even your goal there?