Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Minako_Nightsong

The tank then typed regen and Medica2 via the translator. I had never considered using such an expensive group spell on just a tank but figured I'd try it. It was a game changer. I felt less stress than usual and could put some dps out too. The rest of the dungeon went smoothly. This tank didn't yell at me but instead just gave me good advice and the dps stuck it out showing a lot of patience. I just thought that was awesome. :)

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Nice of them to give you advice - sounds like a good group dynamic with nice people.
What is slightly alarming is the fact you (and others) can get to ilevel 320 (assuming you have done a few bits of group content to get there) and not know something so basic. I've seen this exact instance a few times before and think it just proves what a bad job the game actually does at acclimating people to healing jobs and could suggest why so few people actually get to and maintain it in end-game content.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I get the same thing all the time - I'm Australian, so on the Japanese server, and I set the duty finder to English only but still end up in lots of parties with three Japanese speakers. Apparently a lot of people just tick all the boxes anyway to get into the dungeon faster.

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Leveling roulette ignores language selection nowadays, so in there it's not the issue.
Elsewhere on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by TheAngelneer

It is the Pure Prince(ss) Healer mentality. They believe they are just a do-gooder that heals out of the purity of their hearts and can't get anywhere near those terrible spells that cause pain and suffering. No no no, bashing stuff and dealing damage is the thing those savage DPS do, they only need to make sure their hair looks good when they are casting their heals and that they stay forever innocent and pure.

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There's nothing more PURE PRINCESS HEALER like than Holying until oom followed by Benediction right after (on yourself, of course, because your HOTs have gotten you aggro and the tank is long dead by now)
I mean, at least to me this never fails to feel majestic af

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Originally Posted by Minako_Nightsong

Today I got Skalla as my expert roulette which I have run dozens of times before as a white mage. I was horrible. We wiped to the trash pulls twice before the first boss, I died during the first boss, then we wiped again on the trash right after. I don't normally have a problem keeping everyone alive on big pulls but I do stress and struggle even at 320 ilvl.

The tank then typed regen and Medica2 via the translator. I had never considered using such an expensive group spell on just a tank but figured I'd try it. It was a game changer. I felt less stress than usual and could put some dps out too. The rest of the dungeon went smoothly. This tank didn't yell at me but instead just gave me good advice and the dps stuck it out showing a lot of patience. I just thought that was awesome. :)

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For big pulls on WHM, I recommend...

Swiftcast Holy -> Aero III (Assize) -> Regen

And go from there. Don't be afraid to weave in Holy even if you're still getting comfortable DPSing. I primarily use it so quickly for the Stun. That way if the tank needs extra spot healing, I can either use Assize earlier, Tetra or Cure II. Definitely try to keep Regen up. Another tip, especially if things are on cooldown from an earlier pull, is toss at Cure on the tank at some point during the pull to get a Lily proc for Divine Bension. Try to time this after they do an Overpower/Unleash/Flash. That way it won't effect aggro and gives you just a little more breathing room.

Hope that helps. :)

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

Nice of them to give you advice - sounds like a good group dynamic with nice people.
What is slightly alarming is the fact you (and others) can get to ilevel 320 (assuming you have done a few bits of group content to get there) and not know something so basic. I've seen this exact instance a few times before and think it just proves what a bad job the game actually does at acclimating people to healing jobs and could suggest why so few people actually get to and maintain it in end-game content.

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In Penelope's defense, casting Medica II on a single target is not "something so basic." It's incorrect. You use that particular spell for AoE damage.*

Beourne's ... uh... opener(?) is the better way to go. The stun Holy inflicts gives a white mage plenty of time to get extra healing in on the tank.

*However, it also worked. Just goes to show there are different ways to heal on that initial pull.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

It's incorrect.

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The intonation from her post was that she didn't see how Medica II/Regen were applicable and/or she wasn't using them in bigger pulls which, as she describes, was needed in that specific case.
Sorry if my post was unclear: it was in no way meant to disparage the player, merely to state how we shouldn't have healers getting to that stage in the game without a basic knowledge of their spells in practical applications. As I said, Penelope's case isn't the first time I seen a WHM struggle on bigger pulls - I had one in Bardam's struggling with Cure 2 spamming and 0 dps - not even a Regen on the tank. I would say that not knowing you can throw 2 HoTs on a tank to alleviate the direct healing and opening you up time to DPS is basic knowledge - or at least should be and if it isn't the game is failing to teach people at the basic level. Again, when and if needed, all situational - not on pull or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

The intonation from her post was that she didn't see how Medica II/Regen were applicable and/or she wasn't using them in bigger pulls which, as she describes, was needed in that specific case.

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You're not wrong. I'm a WHM main. When you are a baby healer running with baby tanks you may end up pulling the entire mob if you dare stack regen and Medica II. You may also get in trouble with the tank for "overhealing". At some point your playstyle is expected to shift to both regens and heavy DPSing but let's keep in mind that is because our tanks have more access to hate abilities not because our own tools have changed.

It still catches me off guard sometimes how high level players can be such jerks to the new sprout players.

I made an alt over the weekend on Aether and reached Sastasha on Monday. I'm an endgame raiding tank. When I took my sprout marauder into Sastasha, from the very first pull the dps, RDM in particular, were super aggressive.

You want a Sastasha speed run? Game on.

I think we cleared in 14 minutes. I used Sprint and Overpower quite a bit. The RDM emoted waving at me five or six times as the end boss cutscene started - super annoying, I was going to skip it anyhow, but I just looked /upset at her. Most surprisingly, all three players gave me their comm and only the healer and dragoon were partied, the RDM was a rando.

All I could think, as they filed out and I waited for them to leave so I could go back and get the mapping achievement, was that if that had been my first duty finder tanking experience I would have been dragged along behind that party, would have learned nothing, and would have felt helpless and overwhelmed. I was fortunate I had a solid knowledge base to turn the tables on them.

Today was my first time getting kicked from a duty.

I was doing a run of Ala Mhigo and from my prespective everything seemed to be going ok from my end. We had a couple of wipes to trash which weren't my fault. I was neither the tank nor the healer and I was not pulling aggro from the tank or anything like that. I was just doing my AOE's, not being slow, not standing around doing nothing. Then literally right in the last couple of seconds of the second boss the healer died somehow, but since we were done with the boss I didn't rez him since I thought there's a penalty, so I figured it would be better for him to just respawn. So he he did, and then on the next set of trash we again so everyone respawned at the beginning of the dungeon. I was the first up and as I was running back to our previous location I accidentally pulled the enemies because I flat out wasn't paying attention and was looking at the map to see how far back everyone else was. I figured it was no big deal as everyone else was still on their way back anyway and it's not like I had ever had an accidental pull before. But, apparently it was a big deal as I was booted right as I was respawning again at the start.

Or maybe I was booted for another reason, but that's the only thing I can think of that I did "wrong" during the run plus not rezzing the healer after second boss. Neither of those things seemed like issues to me... So yeah, I'm really confused. I was doing fine as far as my part went imo and then all of a sudden dismissed. Unless its possible to disband the group entirely and it just appears that you got dismissed.

And since I have zero clue what I did so wrong that more than one person agreed I needed to be removed, i don’t know how to improve and not do whatever it is again.

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Originally Posted by Tempest222

Or maybe I was booted for another reason, but that's the only thing I can think of that I did "wrong" during the run plus not rezzing the healer after second boss. Neither of those things seemed like issues to me... So yeah, I'm really confused. I was doing fine as far as my part went imo and then all of a sudden dismissed. Unless its possible to disband the group entirely and it just appears that you got dismissed.

And since I have zero clue what I did so wrong that more than one person agreed I needed to be removed, i don’t know how to improve and not do whatever it is again.

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Well for starters, it sounds like there was an issue going on with either the tank not holding hate, or the healer zoning out during something important. Depends on how they died and what caused it. If you have the ability to, you should always make an effort to try to rez the healer since they are your life blood my dude. If the team decides to just wipe and restart, he can always just refuse the rez request. No harm, no foul.

Since there's so many unanswered variables to this scenario, I think it could be a little of column A and a little of column B but definitely for sure not entirely your fault. I think the kick was just accepted because they are a bunch of buttmunchers. Don't get yourself down. There are jerks out there, but you just do what you can and you try to roll with it.