Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

Anyone have any suggestions with this opener.

Sharp-Fire 1-Eno-Ley-Fire 3 proc-Raging-Pot-Fire 4x3-Fire 1-Fire 4-SwiftCast-Flare-Convert-Fire 4-(Fire3 Proc)-Blizz3-Thunder1-Blizz4

This opener was made for people who don't play as lalafell and not having the piety party buff. I'm rolling with Elezen Duskwight if anyone knows a more updated opener or having any tweaks for my current opener hat will help a lot

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Those stat weights are wrong, the numbers are more along the lines of:
DET - 0.16 INT
CHR - 0.15-0.20 INT (weight increases with higher CHR)
SpS - 0.19-0.21 INT (weight increases with higher SpS)
That's ignoring rotation and CDs.

SpS gets some bonus from steps at certain values, and the hard to put a number on things like making it easier to keep Enochian up. There's also big steps for SpS, like getting so ungodly much that your AoE rotation goes from 15 seconds to 12 seconds, or being able to keep more thunder in your rotation. But those things don't double the value of it.

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Source? Datapoints?

You do know that stat weights are an averaged value of every possible gearset combination at a given i-level.

Stat values (which is what I think you mean) change based on what you already have. You can say "How much Int is 1 spellspeed worth when i've got X Weapon Damage, Y, Int, Z Crit, A det and B spellspeed" using C rotation. But you can't discount any one of those and expect things to be accurate.

And you certainly can't ignore rotation and cooldowns to give a value. Spellspeed is valued higher because of rotation value - you can fit more procs into your rotation, you can also do some nice stuff depending on your cooldowns and group composition. The utility of the stat is far greater than Crit and det because it also makes mechanics easier.

The best way to compare stats is to have a damage calculator that you input your stats into, and you get a perfect world averaged out for normal crit amount of DPS for a given fight length. But we don't have that, at least publicly. There is this though: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ealers/d0ng9m7 But i've not seen the simulation to see if its worth it.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

The utility of the stat [Spell Speed] is far greater than Crit and det because it also makes mechanics easier.

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Marginally.
In terms of when you can move without interrupting a spell, the difference between a 2.3s cast and a 2.0s cast is still only about 0.06s, far below the threshold of human reaction times.

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Originally Posted by Dusk278

Anyone have any suggestions with this opener.

Sharp-Fire 1-Eno-Ley-Fire 3 proc-Raging-Pot-Fire 4x3-Fire 1-Fire 4-SwiftCast-Flare-Convert-Fire 4-(Fire3 Proc)-Blizz3-Thunder1-Blizz4

This opener was made for people who don't play as lalafell and not having the piety party buff. I'm rolling with Elezen Duskwight if anyone knows a more updated opener or having any tweaks for my current opener hat will help a lot

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That's the normal Flare opener, except you lose the chance to do a "free" F4 instead of Flare because you do F4x3 F1 instead of F4x2 F1, if you get a FS proc. Should just do F4 - F4 - F4 - F1 - Swift - F4 - Convert - F4 - F4 if you want to stick with that.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

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Source is FFXIV, 3.2x
Data points are various, with low/mid/high single variable

Your definition of stat weights appears leave spell speed variable by person, fight, party members, and probably other things that don't immediately come to mind. The numbers I put were the marginal dps increase to single spell damage for 1 of each of the stats weighted against the marginal dps increase to single spell damage for 1 INT.

To repeat what you quoted, then reworded to make it sound like I ignored it:

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

SpS gets some bonus from steps at certain values, and the hard to put a number on things like making it easier to keep Enochian up. There's also big steps for SpS, like getting so ungodly much that your AoE rotation goes from 15 seconds to 12 seconds, or being able to keep more thunder in your rotation. But those things don't double the value of it.

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Lavitz : its not the subject but i saw your a5s parse and you're doing 100 more than me without a bard u_u

did you have a 230/40 weapon ? if no do u have any tips for that fight ?



also what do u think of this JAP blm opener ? http://www.fflogs.com/reports/ZXtmw8...&view=timeline

this team has the best timer on a5s

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Source is FFXIV, 3.2x
Data points are various, with low/mid/high single variable

Your definition of stat weights appears leave spell speed variable by person, fight, party members, and probably other things that don't immediately come to mind. The numbers I put were the marginal dps increase to single spell damage for 1 of each of the stats weighted against the marginal dps increase to single spell damage for 1 INT.

To repeat what you quoted, then reworded to make it sound like I ignored it:

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I never reworded anything of what I quoted from you. And of course spellspeed is variable by party members - just like Fey Glow used to alter the weight of spellspeed back in 2.x.

I'd still like to see a source of your datapoints. Do you have a spreadsheet with your raw data and damage formula calculations?

Stat weights are not accurate if you ignore rotation. They have always been variable dependent on fight and rotation, and usually things that are "meta" like Foe's (Bard) and Fey Glow (from 2.x) are assumed. Now, with MCH's place in the meta, foe's shouldn't be assumed and weights should be separate to be accurate. But it always assumes optimal rotation and optimal play.

Your "weights" are far too simplistic and honestly until they are backed up with datapoints and a data formula, they are as valid as the weights I linked to earlier - because none have corroborating evidence.

Thanks I will try that out once I get the chance today

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Your "weights" are far too simplistic and honestly until they are backed up with datapoints and a data formula, they are as valid as the weights I linked to earlier - because none have corroborating evidence.

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It is that simple for WD, INT, Det, and Crit. Changing any of them does not have any affect on your rotation, and your rotation doesn't change their weights in any way.

I could post a clutter of numbers; my data points aren't in any wonderfully organized and/or labeled manner. It was mostly min/max non-crit with fixed Det values and variable INT, then again reversed to find the trendlines. Crit hit was just min/max crit hit damage vs non-crit damage, and assumption that +1% crit damage correlated to +1% crit hit chance. Min/0.95 was compared to max/1.05 to gauge precision, and determine the base value.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

You do know that stat weights are an averaged value of every possible gearset combination at a given i-level.

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It can be done that way, but the tradition that's been built up over the past couple years is that stat weights are relative to one set only (BiS).